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And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God; but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up. What lack I yet?

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come and follow me.

But when the young man heard that saying,he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions.

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you that a rich man shall [with difficulty] enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who, then, can be saved?

But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
Matthew 19:16-26. KJV.

Anyone who reject the truth, they reject eternal life with God and Savior Jesus Christ. Plain and simple.

Love and Peace!

He that overcometh shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

But the fearful, unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and [fornicators], and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Revelation 21:7-8. KJV.

But what saith it? The word is [near] thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart; that is, the word of faith, which we preach:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans10:8-10. KJV.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18. KJV.

Jesus said: Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39. KJV.

Love!

Bro. Nick and Jonathan thanks for replying.

Good to see you know your scriptures. I wonder what scriptures you would have quoted if you had been born a muslim? Or a catholic? Or a mormon? Or a hindu?

Have you considered that well over 90% of people stay in the religion they are born into, and accept that religion's holy scriptures as the word of god? And in Islam and Christianity the followers have split in schiems with various denominations having preachers who disagree greatly with each other about what their holy scriptures mean. These preachers often say that not only the infidels of other religions will be damned to hell for eternity but that also some, or many, or even most of the members of other schiems or denominations of their own religion will be damned to hell for eternity, that it is only followers of that preachers interpretation of what that religion's holy scriptures mean stand a chance of being saved and going to heaven.

The pope has said you can only go to heaven if you are a member of the catholic church. Do you agree that there are many protestant preachers who undoubtedly believe that you are doomed to hell for eternity because you interpret the meaning of some of the bibles contents differently to what they consider to be correct?

Now remember I am either a nutter who hears voices that are not really there, or I am being called to be an End of Times Prophet by god, or a false prophet by satan. And if it is satan, then in my opinion it is not a run of the mill false prophet I am being called to be, if it is satan calling me then he is calling me to be the antichrist. My mission is supposed to be to unite mankind accross all boundaries and provide solutions to mankind's problems and to teach mankind of his own divinity. That includes not only forming a world government but also uniting all religions by reconciling how all the authors of the holy scriptures of every major religion were called by the Holy Father.

Just for credibility, so that you will not write me off as a nutter, here are some facts that I hope will keep you interested in talking to me. Ten days after my calling event an old friend who had been trying to convert me to being a morman for a couple of decades rang me. I told him to come over that I needed to talk. He came over and I told him some of my revelation, he said he felt the spirit repeatedly. I felt a tingling in my spine repeatedly during our conversations. Over a dozen times Trev heard my supposed revelation and recognised the issue and found the places in the Doctrine and Covernants (writen by Joe Smith and considered to be holy scripture by the mormons) where Joe had written his revelation that was in many cases a close paraphrasing of my supposed revelation, and in other cases a similar concept but far less clear than what I was saying. Later 2 Mormon missionaries called at my house and I told them some of my revelation and they agreed that it sounded like correct revelation which was consistent with Mormon teachings in many cases. These two missionaries initially rejected my revelation on 5 points. I used their own scriptures, which include the bible, to convince them that the Mormon Church's Teachings were wrong on those 5 points. Then the voices told me I had enough confirmation and that I should cancel visits from those missionaries.

So it is definite that either god or satan is messing with me. So if you are interested please indulge me in some discussions. When I was called I was open minded on the issue of whether or not god existed. No proof for, no proof against, or so I believed until my calling. It was revealed to me that any believer who was commited to any religion would have been unsuitable for my mission. A life time of brainwashing that a particular denomination of any particular religion would make it too difficult for me to interpret my revelation correctly. The voices just play games with me, my revelation comes in concept form and I must interpret it to the best of my ability. I must use logic to interpret what the revelation means. I must consider everything I know, and I must reject any idea about the meaning of my concept revelation if it is inconsistent with data that is reliable. I have been at this for over 7 years and the voices tell me that my mission will start between 10 years and 1,030 years from the date of my calling event.

I am not supposed to teach my revelation until my mission starts. I am allowed to discuss my revelation with my mormon friend because he is my "spiritual advisor". He will not discuss it with others. I was rebelling against my calling when I discussed the revelation with the mormon missionaries. I was relaxed and happy at the missionaries agreeing that their church's teaching were wrong on 5 counts. Then I was told to cancel their visits because I had enough confirmation. It is up to god how much they discuss my revelation with others.

Anyway if you are interested I would like you to play a game about the Truth of Creation with me. I do not want you to blindly follow some preacher's teaching about what the scriptures mean. I do not want you to follow the interpretations of any person other than the prophets and JC himself. For truly was JC a man as well as the son of god. And as a man he was a prophet. As a son of god he was divine. But I want you to think about some questions. I want you to use logic, to evaluate all the reliable data you know and come to a logical conclusion about the answer to some questions. You can quote some scripture to back up your conclusions but please consider contradictory scriptures as well.

Was JC literate? Could he read and write? Hint, he debated the torah with the holy men in the temple when he was a kid.

If god had wanted to give christians a reliable set of teachings of the messiah that were worth even a quarter of the amount of arguement among preachers and theologians about the interpretation of what JC said, would he not have told JC to write down his teachings? If not that, then would God not have had a literate apostle write down JC's teachings after each surmon and had JC review and approve the text?

Why did god not have anyone write out the teachings of JC for decades after JC died?

Were the writers of the new testament the apostles who heard JC preach? I don't know, when I was a child I thought the apostles wrote the new testament but I have heard that it was not them.

Could god have created "plausible deniability" about JC's teachings? Deliberately? It really will make my mission easier for christians. BTW, Mohammed also did not write his teachings, they were written 20 or 30 years after Mohammed died, from memories of his disciples of teachings they heard years before Mohammed died. It will be as easy as crap to convince muslims not to take the Koran as the actual, word for word teachings of Mohammed. I think there are actually 4 versions of everything in the Koran and they vary a lot from the small amount I have read.

Did JC say that we should forgive our neighbours 70 times, or was it 70 times 70?

Did JC actually mean that after some number of times of forgiving your neighbour you can stop forgiving him? Or was JC making the point to always forgive your neighbour?

Did JC say as long as you repent your sins you will be forgiven those sins by god? Did he mean even murder, even pillow biting, even adultery?

Did many other prohets also teach or write that as long as you repent, all sins will be forgiven by god?

Situation, a 24 year old mafia hit man with 56 kills of innocent victims is killed in car accident crossing the street. And he has not repented, You believe he will be damned to hell for eternity?

Situation, that hit man survives that accident, by age 35 he has killed 268 innocent victims. His son gets fatally ill, the doctor says the son will be dead in 2 days. The hit man's wife prays to god to save the son. The son recovers, the doctor says it is a miracle. The hit man believes in god and repents all his sins, and heads to the nearest bar to celebrate his son's survival. The hit man is killed crossing the street. You believe he will be saved, ie not damned to hell? Think about it. Use logic and evaluate whether god would actually behave that way. Please do not just spout scripture. Think it through.

Do you believe that we are all children of god?

Do you believe that our spiritual pilots exist before we are born?

Do you believe that our spiritual pilots come into existence when or at some time after we are concieved in our mother's wombs? I honestly don't know what the general opinion of christians is on this issue.

This is already far to long for a single post. But I really want to have some religious discussions, and find out some christian beliefs. Sorry I did not get around to questions relating to the topics you originally replied to but if you answer this post I will have many more questions for you to think through if you are interested.

Consider that I believe it is my mission to unite mankind across all boundaries, including religious boundaries. I simply can't go off half cocked like olden day prophets who only had a small flock and could get away with any garbage interpretation of their concept revelations. I will have to unite the followers of all those old slackers who didn't worry at all about reconciling the differences of their teachings with their own previous prophets. If you spend a few minutes thinking about what various prophets said you should identify many contraditions between them.

I really hope I have gotten you interested in talking to me.

Love, from a fellow child of god.

@ Prophet Maybe?
I am a CHRISTian, and totally believe in "THE TRUTH" which has been revealed to man by "the LORD GOD" in His Holy Word – the Holy Bible. As it was written by the Jewish Apostle Paul:
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
–
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(2 Thess 2:7-12 – KJV) – CAPITALization mine – Bro. Nick
Your choice is to 'love THE TRUTH, that you might be saved'
– OR –
"believe a lie" that you "might be damned"
I pray for your sake that you will come to Biblical belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. (Rom 10:8-11)
Goodbye
– your present beliefs are yours – they most certainly are not mine.

Well, 3 responses, with no information that I can really interpret.

WorldGoneCrazy, what is the genetic fallacy? So there is a great rival going on in some places. What percentage of the local believers do you think get to hear a missionary? Anyone caught trying to convert a muslim to any other faith risks imprisonment or even death. Missionaries don't preach publicly in many Islamic countries. Plus what about all the Muslims who lived and died without ever hearing anyone say that Mohammed was a false prophet?

No, it is the wrong thing to do to argue against your statements. I am a new believer in need of help with my new found faith. I need your guidance, not an arguement with any of you.

I was a non-believer, not a dis-believer, just open minded on the question of god's existence. Then I was called, and got revelation. I now know that god exists, that he created the Universe, I even know how he created the universe, how he manifests physical matter out of his own divine substance. I also know that our self awareness is in fact our sentient spiritual pilot which simply pilots our physical bodies through mortal lives. Physical matter is only a divine manifestation, it is not actually real in the sense that scientists believe. I also know that physical matter cannot be alive in the sense that scientists believe it is. The only thing that truly exists is, no I cannot reveal that yet, that would be actual revelation. I get revelation only about spiritual matters, what I said above is one layer below my revelation, it is my logical deductions of how the universe works which I deduced from my spiritual revelation. BTW, I also know why there are hundred of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars. And there are trillions of Physical Universes. Creation is very, very, very large.

I must not again give my actual revelation to anyone except my spiritual advisor, as I did with the 2 mormon missionaries which I mentioned before. But my spiritual advisor is a damn mormon and doesn't know what the mainstream christian beliefs are on some topics.

Please tell me the answers to the questions I will ask below. I need to know some of these things so I can evaluate the correct interpretation of my spiritual revelation.

Do mainsteam christians believe that our spiritual pilots (souls) exist in the spirit world for some time before they are put into physical bodies to pilot through a physical life?

Do you believe our souls come into existence at or after conception?

Do you believe god creates our souls deliberately?

Or do you believe that god simply creates souls for each baby who is concieved so that our souls are simply created incidentally to life in the physical universe?

Do you believe that our souls are spirit children of god? If not, then what do you believe our souls are?

What is the standard teaching of what people who are saved will be doing for the rest of eternity? I was baptised a catholic but was gifted in math and science ability and stopped believing in god by age 12 because of the lack of evidence and the lack of any logical theology from the nuns and brothers who taught me religion. All I remember is something vague like spending eternity gazing at the face of god and being in eternal bliss or something.

There is no point asking any more questions now, until I get a response, or not.

Please consider me as a new believer in god, the creator of all that is. Please teach me what you consider a new believer should know. But please put it in your own words, not scripture quoted in a way that a novice cannot interpret meaningfully. You have all had at least years if not decades to get used to reading scripture and getting some meaning out of it. You may not believe this but in first year law studies I read my rental lease and it was indecipherable to me. By second year law I read my new lease and it was clear as a bell what the legalise meant. As far as scripture is conerned it makes little more sense to a newcomer than my lease made to me in first year law.

Please, please, if you answer the above questions at all, answer them in english, in your own words, then you can quote the scriptural passages on which you base your answers.

If any one wants to take on the task of being a missionary to me, I would like to take this discussion off the blog and exchange emails instead. Does this chat forum allow people to post their email address in a post?

Love, a fellow child of god

Thank you WandaKate. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally a well stated case in plain English that I can easily understand. I am amazed that a christian who frequents this site is so unsure on the issue of just what we are. To me the issue of what WE are is the primary issue in all of existence for us to understand. BTW, existence includes the Eternal Everlasting God who always was, is and always will be, who created all that ever was, is or will be, and who can be considered to be a Universe until itself. Plus the Spiritual Universe in which we exist as spiritual sentient beings, our spiritual bodies or souls, plus the Physical Universe in which our physical bodies exist. To clarify, God created both the Spiritual Universe for His spirit children, us, to exist in as sentient beings, and the Physical Universe for His spirit children to experience happiness, joy and pleasure that is not available in the Spirit Universe. IF I am an End of Times Prophet, part of my Mission will be to teach Mankind of his own divinity. I suppose that may be why I think the question of just what WE are is the number one question we should be interested in, because I know the answer, and the answer is GOOD.
Boy I skated close to the line of revealing my Revelation there, but I have not actually told you what WE are in any more detail than at least one christian sect that I know about teaches to anyone who will listen. I am not supposed to teach my Revelation until god tells me to start my mission. At the moment I am only in preparation.
I don't mean to contradict what you said, I got the impression from your post that you were not detailing what you have held as a strong belief for a long time, but rather addressing an issue that you had not given a lot of thought to for your own benefit, but rather that you were thinking about something to answer my question for my benefit. I sincerely hope I have not offended you by trampling on your beliefs if I misinterpreted the tone of your post.
I want to address the details you gave in your post, but I think this post is going to appear directly below your post and above the last post that I put on yesterday. For the benefit of anyone who reads this forum I want my major posts to list in the order that I write them so that they will make more sense to anyone reading throught this forum and increase the possibility they will comment to me rather than writing me off as a nutter.
I also have to think through the strategy I should use in discussing issues. I am not allowed to actually start teaching my Revelation as my Revelation, and I would not even try to do so on this forum where so many contributers are so invested in particular interpretations of holy scriptures and would simply write off anything I said as heresy if I put it forward in the wrong way. I will probably use the strategy of asking questions and possibly quoting some teachings . By the way, some questions I will ask, like the questions about the soul which you answered, because I do not know the answers and I do want to know the answers. Some questions I will ask to get readers to consider how two or more of their own interpretations of the different teachings in the scriptures interact with each other and reveal to readers that certain of their interpretations of various quotes are inconsistent with each other.
Anyway I definitely want you to read my actual reply on your post about the soul or spirit so check back each day for a while. If I haven't posted that reply within a week it is because I have been forbidden to do so, as I was told to stop teaching the missionaries who were visiting me to listen to me teach them my Revelation instead of them teaching me their church's revelation.
Love, a fellow child of god.

Thank you WandaKate. I was pleased by your post. You said lots of nice things. It cheered me up significantly. But I think you mixed up WorldGoneCrazy's acedemic and worldy success with mine. I have not mentioned my career or qualifications, and while I did swear somewhat, it was less than average, and I have only reduced my swearing a small amount since my calling if you discount my words to my voices, if you count them then I now swear as much as WorldGoneCrazy used too. I am impressed that you have written manuscripts to print and get the Word out. I have a testimony that the Infinite, Eternal, Everlasting God Created all that is, was or everwill be, except himself, that is as strong as any person on Earth. I have a testimony that Jesus is the Chist, the son of god and the Messiah, that is also as strong as any person on Earth, because I KNOW this to be True.
I do not have any Faith, if you define faith as belief without proof. I used to believe that the hole idea of Faith, as defined as belief without proof was fruitcake stuff, and according I dismissed anyone who claimed to have this Faith as a fruitcake. I have not changed my opinion on this. But I now believe that the Holy Spirit exists and that his modus operandi is to give people knowledge of god. What I mean by this is that the holy spirit touches a persons mind and then that person simply knows that god exists the same way that a scientist who puts 6 marbles in a jar and seals the jar and holds the jar in his hand all day knows all day that there are 6 marbles in the jar. The proof he has that there are 6 marbles in the jar is that he put them there himself and he knows nobody has tampered with the jar.
The holy spirit simply bypasses the issue of proof and directly creates the knowledge he wishes a person to have so that the person then knows whatever the holy spirit gives him knowledge of. This is NOT "belief without evidence". It is knowledge as sure as anyone can "know" anything after seeing evidence of that thing. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not saying that everyone who has faith actually has "Faith". A lot of believers are fruitcakes, and they truly do "believe without proof". They have never been given knowledge by the holy spirit, they are people who want to believe in god, or something else, for some reason, perhaps because they feel a need for a purpose for life, or some other reason. It does not matter to me what they have faith in, the Bible, the Koran, Jesus or that preacher who poisoned all his followers. Do you agreed that the people who followed that lunatic had faith, not Faith? Do you agreed those blokes were fruitcakes?
Unfortunely for me I was not given Faith by god. My mission is too important to accept any belief without evidence. I KNOW that God created the Universe, because I recieved Revelation about how matter is Manifested. Even God cannot actually Create matter, that would be magic, and even God cannot do magic in the base level of Existence. But God found a way around this problem and Manifested as much matter and space and time as He wanted to. Within Creation, which is the name of all that God Manifested, God can do Anything He wants to do. Any miracles, any magic, Anything he wasts to. And he allows his Elder Children to do LOTS of stuff too. Jesus can fly, create matter, uncreate matter, heal any spirit children of god who need healing and who god allows him to heal, and LOTS more.
But for me, belief without evidence is simply not acceptable (to god), it would make me unsuitable for my Mission, so the voices tell me. There was a man called Joe nearly 200 years ago. I believe he was called as the first End of Days Prophet, although I am not certain he was an End of Days Prophet I think he was. I have no idea who the second End of Days Prophet is. I believe I am a Candidate for the End Times Prophet Mission, just to clear up the issue of End of Days versus End Time Prophets. Now Prophet Joe taught a lot of detail about our souls or spirits, I believe far more than any other Christian Prophet. He taught that all the spirit children of the heavenly father were created long ago and lived in the spirit world before they are sent to Earth to get their physical body, that when that physical body dies their spirits return to the spirit world, were they get a second chance to accept Jesus Christ and be baptised. One day they will be resurrected and then Judgement Day will come and everyone will be Judged by Jesus, some will be condemned to hell, the rest will be Judged to one of 3 levels of glory. Consider how good the levels of glory to be by the amount of light as follows: under the stars, under the moon, and under the sun. Under the sun is the celestial Level of Glory and it is a level of glory where you are a god.
Now I believe Prophet Joe recieved Revelation that was the Truth of Creation, but that Prophet Joe did not interpret his Revelation correctly. Firstly, I believe he got the bit about hell wrong if he said anything about external suffering (I am not sure whether he just said hell or added detail about suffering), as I believe every prophet who preached about hell being eternal suffering interpreted their Revelation incorrectly. I also believe that he got lots of details wrong about the judgement for people who avoided hell. But I do believe he got the detail about the soul or spirit nature of the children of god on earth extremely more correct than any other Christian Prophet.
However another man who may, or may not, have been one of the Prophets which the Bible mentions as being sent to every land and people and tongue, said that after you die you will be judged on the net balance of the good and the bad you have done, and the universal power (words to this effect I think, I have not actually read his teachings only heard about them) will reincarnate you as you deserve. I think there was mention of cochroaches or cows or birds, maybe even a rich man or poor man, but you get my drift, no hell. Now, forget the details of how you interpret the writings in the Bible, just work off the presumption that god is good, just, fair, forgiving, loving and the Father of every person on Earth, do you think Joe or the other bloke is more likely to be correct about the severity of the Judgement outcomes?
Now I should have dealt with what you said about the soul or spirit. Firstly I consider that it is extremely likely that when one Prophet said soul, and another Prophet said spirit, they were both talking about the same thing, just using different words to articulate the concept which I believe they recieved in concept form. I recieve my Revelation in concept form, and I have to translate that Revelation into words. If this is the same way that the olden day Prophets, and Prophet Joe recieved their Revelation, then what they wrote, if they wrote anything themselves was revelation, NOT Revelation. Now if you believe that god gave them Revelation word by word as they wrote it down, then I can accept that you would believe that the original text they wrote was Revelation, and I would agree. Now consider each time it was translated by non prophets, both when decaying parchments were copied and sometimes updated to current versions of the same language, as in plain english versions of the Bible, and sometimes from one language to another. Even if you believe the original text was the "Word of God" or Revelation, surely you cannot believe that Any single version of the Bible in English is Revelation rather than mere revelation. What I am getting at here is the difference between the "Word of God" and somebodies "interpretation" or "translation" of some written words.
Just read, or remember, some of the forums on THIS site alone and you will see how differently people interpret some passages of the "Word of God". Consider if 4 readers from this site each wrote a plain english version of any edition of the Bible you choose. I put it to you that there would be translations into modern english of the same passages that would be unrecognisable as coming from the same original text. Every time anyone "translates" a bible from one languae to another, or even updates an old bible in their own language to a current language, or plain english version, then you no longe have the original holy scripture, the translation is only the translator's interpretation of the holy scripture.
I also put it to you that when the bible was first translated from Hebrew to Greek you no longer had actual holy scripture, you had the translator's interpretation of the holy scripture.
I also put it to you that the men who wrote the new testament decades after Jesus death wrote their interpretation of what they had heard other people tell them were Jesus teachings.
Even if you believe that Jesus Apostles wrote the gospels, the best they could do was write their memories of Jesus words. And many scholers claim some parts of some of the gospels were copied from other gospels or parts of other gospels.
The Koran was written at least 20 years after Mohamed's death by his disciples who heard Mohammed preach, they were selected because they personally heard Mohammed preach. Each writer wrote his memory of what Mohammed said. Read a few paragraphs and see how different each of the memories are of each of Mohammed's teachings.
I also put it to you that if the actual Prophets received Revelation in concept form and they then translated those concepts into words, even if they wrote those words immediately, then what they wrote was revelation NOT Revelation. It was the Prophets "interpetation" of their Revelation that got written down, NOT the "WORD OF GOD", rather, the word of god as interpreted by the Prophet. No, even that is too good. It was not even the word of god, if they received Revelation in concept form, what they wrote was at best "revelation", not the "word of god". I can tell you that even today there are no word that I know, and I no that there are no words in any language on Earth to explain the Truth of Creation that has been revealed to me.
I hear voices of spiritual beings whose jobe it is to phycologicaly torment and torture me. I do not believe a single word they say because they say it, but I do sometimes decide that some things they say are probably true. But these voices absolutely do not give me revelation, I NEVER consider any words I hear to be revelation. My Revelation is in concept form. It is my job to work out what it means and translate it into words. I intend to write my revelation down, and I know it will be accepted as holy scriptures, but I know it will NOT be the "word of god", it will be "revelation" with a small r, it will only be my interpretation of my Revelation.
Re read WorldGoneCrazy's post on the issue of the creation story in Genisis. He has reconciled it with modern science and says it is consistent when you translate the concept of days to ages I think. Now if god had given that Prophet's Revelation in words, and that Prophet had written those words as god spoke, then wouldn't any scientist be able to read Genisis and see that the story of creation was correct and inconcievably expressed in words available over 3,000 years before the concepts were first given names by men.
You must agree that if Genisis was truly the "Word of God" then WorldGoneCrazy would not have needed any help reconciling Genisis with modern science. The "Word of God" would have been far better than the "revelation" in Genisis. Surely have a certainty that God would have found words even 3,000 years ago that would have been self evidently consistent with modern science to an engineer with 4 degrees.
But god does not work that way.
Sorry I got off the topic of souls or spirits. Consider a girl born in Iran in 1990 to a rich family. At 8 years old her family die and she is given into the care of an uncle. He marries her, at age 8, rapes her nightly and beats her for crying, but it causes her so much pain that she can't stop crying each time he rapes her until she is 13. So eah time she is raped, she cries and is also beaten. Plus the uncle uses her money as his own until all her inheritance is gone. Just what is legal in that fallen religion, I believe that the council of immams confirmed this behaviour was legal within the last 2 years. Now at age 22 she falls in love with a nice young man, has loving tender sex and runs away with that man. She is caught, whipped and stoned to death under shia law.
Now let us consider the situation if what you said you extracted from the "Word of God" about souls and spirits was in fact the Truth of Creation" which God Created. Her soul comes into existence in 1990, it has 8 years of not suffering, 5 years of Hell on Earth, 9 years of just being a muslim wife of a husband who beats his wives a lot, say 1 year of not too bad with her lover. Then torture and execution, then her soul returns to god so she has no concious existence. Then her body is resurected, then she learns about Judgement and hell for adultery, she has as long as it takes for her turn before Judgement when she knows Jesus will condem her to hell. So all the waiting time is phycological torment and torture. She will obviously beg for forgiveness, as will everyone who has committed a "hell" crime, but if anyone is going to hell, then Jesus MUST not be allowed to forgive her sins, you try to play that card and you lose the idea of anyone going to hell, even satan is going to repent and beg for mercy. Now Jesus MUST not be allowed to forgive anyone who is going to go to hell, otherwise NOBODY GOES TO HELL. So she goes to hell. Now lets consider her existence, 24 years plus the wait for judgement day is not HellFire Suffering, but most of it is really, really bad suffering, but just Earth level suffering. The she suffers HellFire Suffering for 10 times100 times 1000 times, 1,000,000 times, 1billion times, 1trillion times the live she had that was NOT HellFire Suffering, and after that she suffers HellFire Suffering for a trillion times as long as you can concieve of eternity, and then she suffers Eternal HellFire Suffering which never, ever, ends.
Are you still confident your interpretation is correct?
Now consider a hypertethical, god selects you and satan and grants you the power to create your own physical universes and impliment whatever rules you want for Judgement. One universe has rules like I outlined above. One universe has rules not as bad as the ones set out above. One universe has an unspecified set of rules.
In your opinion which universe is likely to be the one which god rules over, which one is likely to be the one satan rules over, and which one is likely to be the one you rule over. And you specify whether the third universe has Judgement rules better or worse than each of the first two universes.
This is already far too long so I will wind up quickly.
WandaKate. Is your respect for god great enough that you would choose to implement the soul or spirit rules, and judgement rules that your interpretation of the holy scriptures indicate god has chosen? Or would you choose more humane rules? On the issue of hell, I do not say there is no place called hell with fire and brimstone wher people may be sent. But in my opion the fire is more likely to be for the purpose of making the occupants cosy than for tormenting and torturing them for Eternity. I you still believe Eternal HellFire Suffering is the correct interpretation of scriptures then please read my desription of how long Eternity is, and then multiply it by a trillion times a trillion, and realise that if you compare Eternity to a Marathon, all that time I just laid out represents the start of the explosion of the starting pistol for the race, and even that is overstating the percentage of Eternity that has passed by the time all the years I specified have passed.
Now consider the issue of Eternal Damnation for anyone who does not find Jesus, or finds him but cannot believe in his resurrection, but lives a better life than 99% of the people you believe will be saved. Remember anyone who repents before they die gets saved. By the standard interpretations of reptenting, if two christian missions knocked on Hitlers bunker the morning he died, and he had accepted Jesus and repented one second before a bomb killed him, then Hitler will be judged to go to heaven with a completely clean record, not even a parking ticket against him, while every Jew who didn't accept Jesus will go to hell for Eternity, including all the ones Hitler murdered.
Please reconsider your interpretations of the "revelation" in the bible.
WorldGoneCrazy, ditto.
I am going to get kicked off this site posting such long entries off the topic of this site. How do you get a page opened on a new topic?
Love, a fellow child of god.

PROPHET MAYBE.?.. Hey again, I just read what you had written to world gone crazy. I see where you talk about not giving your actual revelation to anyone but your spiritual advisor. That sounds like some type of fake palmist or something, some guru or fortune teller of sorts.
We are not to have any advisors except JESUS, as He alone is our advisor and our advocate/mediator to the FATHER in heaven. Your advisors are Mormons you said so please tell me that isn't so. Of course they don't know what's in the real Bible as they use the Book of Mormon. They know very little of what is in the Bible that Christians use. Mormon's in case you didn't know are not Christians. They are listed as one of the largest cults besides the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Catholics. I know you were raised Catholic, but they are in the book of cults. I did not write the book of cults so I am not to be blamed.
Now, I am going to attempt to answer your questions that you asked world gone crazy which I don't think that person answered for you.
We "may have" had a spiritual connection before birth as JESUS did say, "I knew you even when you were in your mother's womb". The bible says as I have mentioned before that when GOD created man (people) he breathed the breath of life into Adam and Adam became a living "soul". It didn't say anything there about having a soul. You keep talking about having a soul. Scripture says, "The soul that sins, it shall die". It means the person that sins shall die a spiritual death. Understand so far?
We must therefore have a "spirit" within us b/c when we die it's the "spirit" that returns to GOD, and not a soul. And on another thought, The Kingdom of GOD is a spiritual Kingdom, not a physical one made up with people as we are with flesh and blood.
As for children, yes we are GOD's children and he loves us so much that He gave His only Son JESUS CHRIST and that same JESUS died on a cross to make it possible for you and I to be in the Kingdom with Him when that times comes. That is love and grace in a package.
As for "eternity" what will be do? We will praise GOD and be instrumental in co-reigning as heirs of GOD. We will somehow be assisting GOD and JESUS in ruling in the new heaven and the new earth.
Evidence of GOD…The creation all around you had to be created. It just didn't happen by chance. Evolution is a myth (hogwash). GOD is like the wind, we don't actually "see" the wind, just as we don't "see" GOD, but we know the wind is there and so is GOD, He is there. GOD can't be seen no, but it never meant he wasn't there all along from the beginning of time.
His angels record everything. Our names are written in the Book of Life, or GOD's eternal book, They remain there unless they are by some reason blotted out. Therefore once we are saved, we are not always saved, as our names can be blotted out of the Book. If we Obey and Believe then our names remain in the Book.
I wrote you in a comment about the soul and spirit and the differences there. Hopefully you now understand that. I enjoy our chats if they don't get too complicated and involved and non-productive. As you can see here I am trying my best to answer your questions from a sensible standpoint and not from what Joseph Smith said or Ellen G. White said, or John Wesley or any of our television preachers, but taking it from the word of GOD in all it's entirety and as best I know. Trying to break it down and make it so simple that a child could understand it.
WK

Thank you WorldGoneCrazy.In case you missed my post, I know that Jesus is

the son of god, and the messiah, and that the messiah will come again to

rule the world.
I am very impressed with your worldly qualifications and career. I am also

impressed with your conversion to christianity. It appears that you MAY

think you were brought to faith by logic, I believe that the holy spirit

assisted you to comprehend what you learned from your God Guy, who I would

describe as your personal spiritual adviser sent by god. I also believe

the holy spirit helped your comprehension of the books you read. This

under the "seek and you will find" and "ask and it will be given to you"

principals from the scriptures which I have learned about, and the

principle you mention that "the bible equally teaches that those who

SINCERELY pursue truth" will find it.
My story is very different. I lived my life from about 12 years old till

my calling event, which did not happen till after I recieved my penion,

believing that there was no evidence for or against god, and that one day

science my develop to the point where the questions of where the universe

came from had no scientific meaning. During these years, up till the

morning of my calling event, I believed that the important question

relating to god was not whether or not he existed, but rather, if he

existed was he worth a pinch of camel dung. I looked at the suffering and

disease in the world and was not prepared to assume that if god existed he

was necessarily good.
Then my calling event happened and I knew that god existed, of course in

the overwhelming event I accepted my mission without a thought of asking

for an explanation of why all the bad things happened. However, after some

months I made it clear that I was not prepared to blindly preach about a

good god unless I knew he was in fact good. I recieved enough Revelation

to explain the suffering in the world to my satisfaction and was prepared

to preach to the world that god is in fact good. It is amazing, and

completely logical.
Don't worry about how old I am, around twenty years ago my knees were so

bad, painful, that I occassionally needed to use a walking stick. My blood

pressure was measured up to 180 over 110, I couldn't remember to take my

blood pressure medication until I had a bleed in my macula, then I took my

bp medicaition religiously. These days my knees cause me no pain. Actually

I hardly ever have any aches and pains in my body even though many years

ago I had them regulary. A few years ago I felt dizzy a lot and went to

the doctor. I had bp about 85 over 50 or 60, so the doc took me off bp

medication. After a week my bp was still so low the doc put me on salt

tablets. Then the bp was acceptable. After a few months I gave up the salt

tablets and was ok for years. All this happened without any change in diet

or weight. About 6 to 12 months ago I started feeling dizzy every day for

about 10 days, then I got sick of it and told my voices to stop hasseling

me, that I was not going to the doctor again no matter what they did. I

didn't have a single dizzy spell after that statement. I have to explain

this, I am being hasselled quite a lot by the angles, or demons, who are

talking to me. I have not ruled out the possibility that I may in fact be

being called to the antichrist mission by satan, my voices sometimes tell

me that, about 1 time in 20. But don't worry, I have made it clear that I

will not under any circumstances fight against the messiah if he comes in

my lifetime.
For your amusement, when I was first called, after my bleed in the macula,

I was healed of three obvious medical conditions. I went off my bp

medication, but I am a cautious person, I measured my bp every day. The

voices started after about 6 months, after a while they said I should know

I was insane because only insane people hear voices and I had no physical

proof that they were real. I pointed out the healing was physical proof,

they denied it. My blood pressure went back up, my other conditions came

back, and I felt really stupid for having argued that the healing was

physical proof. I went back on the bp medication and stayed on it till I

started getting the first lot of dizzy spells as mentioned above.
BTW I also went to a phyciatrist and got anti physcotic medication. I

tried 3 or 4 different voices in the head insantity meds over several

years, non of which had the slightest effect on my voices. I only gave

them up because it was too much trouble to renew them. Oh, these meds were

to keep my family happy, and I was not the slightest bit worried about

them effecting the voices because I knew the voices were real. My

spiritual advisor had spent weeks at my house telling me he felt the

spirit often during our conversations, as did I. And he would find

passages in scripture dealing with some of my Revelation I told him.
Back to don't worry about how old I am. I usually feel like I am in my

20s. The lord will keep me alive until my mission is completed.
BTW, I do NOT get Revelation via the voices, in spoken words. My

Revelation comes in concept form and I must interpret it and translate it

into words.
Thank you for your comments on the soul. Your comments agree, as far as

they go, with WandaKate's. That is, that the soul is created at

conception. I intend to write a post about the soul. NOT giving my

Revelation on the topic, but directing your thoughts to various comments

which, I believe, Jesus made, which have relevance to the issue of spirit

children of god, or our souls. I think when you consider these comments,

if you don't write me off as a nutter and you do bother to read and

consider them, that your current beliefs on the soul MAY change. What I

mean is that if you consider some of Jesus teachings that do not mention

the soul or spirits of his children, but have implications about our

souls, then you MAY find that YOUR interpretions of what the holy

scriptures say about our souls may change.
About the issue of captializing God. My voices do not want me to

capitalize god. I find that it makes my life a lot easier if I don't

antagganate my voices. I am very sorry for my spelling, you know that god

can confound peoples thinking, well the angels or demons who hassel me

like to confound my thinking in various ways. They are having a lot of fun

messing up my ability to spell. During my working career I wrote documents

for my organization to present to courts. I was, and usually still am, a

much better than average speller.
A final comment on the issue of this forum. You do not have to be a member

of the Catholic Church to be saved as Pope Francis says. You do not have

to be a member of any church to be saved. You will be saved if you find

god in your holy scriptures. That is not the complete story.
Love, a fellow child of god.

WandaKate, I just did a post to your other comment, it was far too long. Thank you for your concern, but it is misplaced. At my calling event Jesus status was VERIFIED, I know he is the son of god, I know he is the messiah. My calling even was not a voice, it was a concept conversation that was so clear that it was as though I heard words, but I did not hear words, I recieved concepts as clear as words. Now for the next six months I did not hear voices, I recieved Revelation in concept form and translated it into my own words. My lifelong friend became a minister/priest over 3 decades ago, he visited me, when I told him my revelation he looked up holy scriptures and found equivalent teachings, sometimes so close that it was paraphrasing my words in a way that if someone read my words, they could have repeated what I said to someone else using the words in the scriptures. Other times the wording varied a great deal but the concepts were clearly the same. After about six months I started to hear voices, they played games with me and gave me problems to solve, basically it appeared that they were testing me.
Then one day they attacked me massively and I thought I would go insane. Over a dozen voices shouting at me, some threatening me and ordering me to do things, some supporting me and saying "XXX will do what he wants", to the other voices and "XXX only do what you want, ignore everything they (the nasty voices) tell you to do". I thouht that the next time I went to sleep I would wake up insane, because that is what the nasty voices told me, they said they would attack my mind in my sleep when I couldn't resist them. When I woke up I was perfectly OK and I think I even felt well rested, maybe that is overstating how OK I was, maybe not. But soon after I woke up a very friendly voice told me that my mind had been opened to the spirit world for my trials and tribulations and some spirits would tell me the truth, and some spirits would tell me lies, and that I should never believe a word any voice told me. I was also warned that I would be massively distracted most of the time and that I should never put my wallet down outside my house because I would lose it. I was told to always put my wallet back in my pocket instead of putting it down anywhere outside my house. I was also told NEVER to do anything improper or inappropriate no matter what the voices said.

That sounded reasonable, many prophets were given a hard time I supposed, I thought trials and tribulations, OK that'll be 40 days and 40 nights. Oh how wrong I was, that was over 6 and a half years ago. The voices say it will go on for between 10 years and 1,030 years, and when it finishes I will have a short time to get ready to start my Mission. But I do not believe a word the voices say, I believe what I see, hear and logically deduce, and my interpretation of my Revelation when it fits logically into the Truth of Creation as I have come to comprehend it. Any supposed Revelation that comes into my mind, that is logically inconsistent with my comprehension, so far, of the Truth of Creation, is put on the back burner to be revaluated if I clarify my comprehension of the Truth of Creation latter. Most of the items that spent some time on the backburner latter fitted into my outline of the Truth of Creation. I know the voices also have the power to put concepts in my mind the same way I believe god does, but it appears that they are NOT ALLOWED to imposter Revelation. They CAN put the concept of me suffering horrendous tortures into my mind in concept form, and other nasty things, but so far, apparently NOT Revelation. It seems to be part of the rules.

I have not been given Faith. I have been given the task of interpreting Revelation and judging it by its logical consistency with each other bit of Revelation. Nothing I have accepted as Revelation contradicts Jesus being the son of god, the messiah or him teaching god's revelation as a True Prophtet does. BTW, the voices have NEVER said Jesus was not the son of god, or the messiah, or that his teachings were not revelation. My voices always say that God Created the Universe. They say that God is good, loving, kind and fair, to good to condem anyof his children to eternal suffering in hellfire, most of the time. But when they are doing SERIOUS attacks, they say God is evil and will make me suffer for ETERNITY, not just in the fire and brimstone, that is too vague to be really taken as a threat as serious as they want me to take they threat, they specify time out of hell to suffer every torture ever devised by man, plus every torture ever devised by a sentient being in the physical universe, plus every torture ever devised by satan himself, plus every torture ever devised by any of satans' demons. They only say this when they are making serious attacks, bringing the trials and tribulations to the boil so to speak, then occassionally during the de-escalation phase of the attacks. But most of the time they are confirming gods goodness and doing other attacks, physical and mental. Most of the time the attacks are at say the small arms level of ground combat, they never fell below that except for a few months after they cresendoed the last long escalating set of attacks which continually escalated over a 4 year period which was followed by 2 more months of small arms level attacks, then a few months of less than that before they got back to a minimum of small arms combat. Consider the big attack to be artillery bombardment, bombing, carpet bombing, then a Nuke.

From what you said my voices do not act like demons, they claim they are angles sent by god and it is their job to give me trials and tribulations. They will not tell me why, they will not tell me the purpose.

But my own analysis is that IF they are sent by god, AND god is good not evil, then the purpose could be to open my mind sufficiently to correctly interpret my Revelation. This Revelation is not about the earth, it is not about life within the physical universe, it is about the spiritual Truth of Creation, how Creation really works. I believe I may have had Revelation about the nature of the Eternal Infinite God in terms of why he IS, where IS came from, stuff that almost let me comprehend that stuff in the bible about "I am, I AM" or "I am he who IS" those are not the correct quotes, but they should give you the idea of the comments I am thinking about, the ones where God is speaking to someone and identifying Himself.

I call the session where I contemplated that issue, the NOT. I was considering what existed before God Created all that is, including space and time. Some of those logic chains went something like this. The NOT is the name of what IS before anything IS, but if NOT IS then the NOT is not, because IS IS, so the NOT cannot be IS. There is quite a few more ISs and NOTs, and it is not really gibberish, it is trying to put into words what is there when nothing is there. It is trying to answer the question of can there be nothing if there is nothing. Can there be not if nothing exists. Can Existence exist, if nothing exists. I think, from a vague memory, that I concluded that Existence exists because it cannot not exist, because if nothing exists then existence must exist, for the nothing to exist. If you think a cube of empty space is an area where nothing exists, then you are in the wrong ballpark. Space must exist, for it be be an area, and for it to be empty. If there is no space for nothing to occupy, Then there is not nothing anywhere and therefore there is no nothing, so something must exist, Existence itself, for Nothing to exist in. So you could say that the Truth of Reality is that Existence must exist, this means IS is the Truth, and NOT is False. Is used the IS and the NOT to be placeholders for concepts that cannot be adequately described by any words I know, is and not were the closest words to the concepts of existence and not existence concepts.

I MAY have been able to explain it better the day after I thought this throug six or eight years ago, within 2 years either side of my calling event. I also went through this analysis on the issue of intelligence. To cut through the gibberish logic chain, it boils down to the arguement that nothing can exist unless the concept of that thing exists, yes really, I believe this is either a Truth of Reality or a Truth of Existence. Both of which are orders of magnitude above the Truth of Creation. Questions about stuff in the physical unverse are simple, unless you start talking about issues that relate to the spirit world or the higher plains, such as "why am I aware of myself? What is my self awareness?" Then you have to go to spirit universe information to answer such questions. And the only information available on the spirit universe is what god has revealed to us.

Intelligence must exist for the concept of existence to exist, and we know that exisitence does exist because we exist as evidence, absolute proof of existence. The concept of existence must exist because existence exists. A concept itself is intelligence itself. Nothing can exist unless it has existence. Concepts are intelligence, therefore intelligence must have existence, therefore intelligence must have some sort of "substance", meaning existance, not matter as we know it. Call physical matte Pmatter. Call whatever the existance or substance of a concept intelligence or Imatter. You can consider Imatter to be made out of existence itself.

I doubt that I have gotten over the line of convincing anyone that this crap is more than gibberish so I will simply skip to God Exists because He Cannot Not Exist, speaking logically.

The voices are not, in my opinion demons. They confirm Jesus as the messiah and the son of god.

Soon after the first attack of the voices I had my minister/priest friend perform an expell demons and perform a blessing of the holy spirit, stuff he was trained to do. It had no effect. He got 4 or 6 other minister/priests from his congregation and they and him did the expel demons and the blessing of the holy spirit ceremonies in the church buildings, which were santified ground.

Years latter, I was sitting at Maccas and an old couple walked in and sat down at the next table. We started talking. Short version, he was a born again christian who had been given the power of healing. He claimed one of his most notable healing was over the phone with a woman 3.000 miles away who had, among other problems, one leg shorted than the other. He prayed, he blessed her then did his healing stuff, she told him after a half hour that she stood up and both her legs were the same length. I have only his word for that, but I let him bless me and cast out demons. The voices went quite, I was stunned and invited him to my house the following Sunday to do his demon casting out stuff throughout my house.

They told me they had been on their way home from church and felt the spirit urging them to call in at Maccas. That was why they came to the table next to mine.

24 hours after the voices went silent they started up again, they said they just went silent to let me know this man, and his wife were special. They confirmed he had been given the power to heal by the holy spirit. But remeber, the voices have zero credibility. You only believe something they tell if you can verify it.

I went to the healers congregation, he was an elder and highly respected and accepted as a man with the gift of healing. Limited of corse, some people were healed, some were not.

This church had lots of people who claimed to feel the spirit. It was 100% Christian. It used the Bible and only the Bible as Holy Scriptures. I attended this congregation for a few months. The healer turned out to be quite the respected elder. He was not the minister of that church.

From this experience I learned that the holy spirit touches members of many Christian Churches, it depended on the person, NOT which church he was a member of. The Pope is absolutely wrong that you have to be a member of the Catholic Church to be saved.

The voices said many people around the world are given the ability to heal by the power of the holy spirit. The ability varies in strength from person to person depending on the situation. Nobody, no healer, is allowed to do healing live on TV that is unequivically verifiable, such as healing an amputee and having his limbs appear miraculously on screen. That sort of thing is against the rules which govern the use of the healing gift. Remember, the voices have zero credibilty, even if they are angles, their job is to hassle me. They worked hard to destroy their credibility, so hard that zero credibitly is not really accurate, these blokes have negative credibitilty. You only believe that they MAY have told the truth after you verify what they said. They are NOT the source of my Revelation.

Love, a fellow child of god.

WK,

I admired your patience toward Prophet Maybe. Like someone said earlier, he is not a true prophet.
He must accept and obey the truth that is the only thing that can save him and any of us.

He must know this also, that God love him and His plans for him is good and not evil.

Love and Peace!

I just reread the 3 replies, and being less dissappointed this time I realised that you all appeared to have the impression that I don't believe in Jesus. This is completely and uterly incorrect.

I know that Jesus was the son of god. I know that Jesus was the messiah. I know the messiah will come again and rule the Earth. And when I start my mission I will teach this to all mankind. But I also know that Jesus was also a man, and as a man he was a prophet who taught some things that god knew it was time for mankind to hear. But I know for a fact that Jesus was the son of god and as such he was and is and always will be devine in nature.

You know Jesus not only refused to take part in stoning that woman, he also stopped the crowd, angry mob, from stoning her by saying, "let he who is without sin throw the first stone". My interpretation of the scriptures is that this was the way Jesus put an end to the teachings of the old prophets to stone lots of people to death. I believe that Jesus overruled that stoning people to death for anything principle which was taught by many prophets. Do you consider I am wrong in this interpretation?

Now I have given much thought to what will happen when that woman comes before Jesus on Judgement Day. Without that episode, recounted in the scriptures, I am sure most preachers would have presumed that Jesus would have condemned that woman to hell for adultery. But if he does condemn her to hell, I can't help thinking that putting that episode in the new testament would be viewed by many as false advertising. I don't believe Jesus would come within a mile of false advertising. What do you think?

My problem is that IF I am an End of Times Prophet, then my mission is to ALL mankind. I have to have answers for the difficult questions people of all faiths will ask.

WorldGoneCrazy, on how hard the comprehension test is on interpreting scriptures, consider the arguements going on about the antichrist. Some preachers are using scriptural references to prove Obama is the antichrist. Some are using scriptural references to say that all Popes have been antichrist and that Francis is the final antichrist. They are wrong because Francis will be long dead before Christ returns. Pope Francis interprets the bible to say anyone who is not catholic will be going to hell. David Hawley, from whose post our string has decended says "what the Pope says is kinda true, but wrong that it is the Roman Catholic Church". Hey that is the topic of this forum, I forgot, too distracted by my own problems.

Now Jesus flushed all that stoning to death down the toilet. Do you agree?

If stoning people to death willy nilly was not a Truth of Creation, but rather a teaching for the times of the old prophets, can you be certain that Christ will not flush some other teachings from holy scriptures down the toilet when he comes again? And if Christ is going to flush some more of the teachings from the bible down the toilet do you think he would want, or even allow, nd End of Times Prophet in the second millenium to teach those teachings that he is going to flush. IF I am an End of Times Prophet I have to get ALL my teachings correct.

Please help me. If you are sure I am simply a nutter then tell me so and I will go looking for someone else to teach me current christian beliefs. Many many preachers are saying we are in the End Times, is it really impossible that an End of Times Prophet is currently being prepared by god to start his mission? Are you certain that god gives his prophets their revelation word for word for them to write down so that people argue about the exact interpretation of what their scriptures mean? Remember the new testament was written decades after Jesus died. And at least some of its authors never heard Jesus teach. It would not have been the slightest problem for Jesus himself to write his teachings and get every word correct if god worked that way.

Please help me, if not because you think there is the slightest chance that I have actually been called as an End of Times Prophet, then simply as experienced believers with decades of experience of interpreting scriptures and experts on current christian beliefs.

Love, a fellow child of god.

BRO.NICK: Yes, in all of the manuscripts I have written I have written like this… satan is the god of this world. And also…If we believe on the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST we shall be saved, and our works will follow our salvation. Any name referring to GOD, JESUS etc. is in all caps to show "respect" for His name. Satan deserves no respect and his name does not need to be in any caps. This is my own option, my own opinion, but I think it shows a measure of respect to the creator of the universe. WK

you need to get your facts straight your self

Pete,

Thanks for sharing these Scriptures. You made a error when you said this" All have fallen short of God's Grace". I believed you meant to say "all have fallen short of the glory of God.

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, Romans 3:23-24.

That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God-
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians.2:7-10. KJV.

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord;
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God, lest any rot of bitterness springing up trouble you, and by it many be defiled. Hebrews 12:14-15. KJV.

Love and Peace.

He became the author of salvation to all those who obey Him. I just read what you wrote. How about that, it makes sense if you understand it correctly. He (JESUS) became the author of salvation (to people) to all those who (do what?) OBEY Him. So, that scripture says that JESUS grants salvation to all souls(people) that OBEY Him. That would mean that if a person who claims to be a Christian did not obey Him then that person could lose that salvation that JESUS granted to them in the beginning.

I forgot to write something with that last comment…Scripture say that our names can be "blotted out" of the Book of Life. GOD"s eternal book has the name of all people that have been saved, but their name can be blotted out of His book should he see fit to blot it out. We are capable of losing our salvation. People argue it, but it's pretty cut and dry. He is an all or nothing GOD.
We will be saved by grace but we will be judged by our works, our obedience and our perseverance to the end.

are you serious? are you for real? No why do people not read Paul's letter to Timothy. Have you ever read what the Bible qualifies as "doctrines of demons". Please. Do some homework. Read Paul's letters to Timothy. And do pray for understandiiing. please. Jeepers.

JOE: You're right to a point. I do believe that "all" churches have faults. The fact that GOD is happy because we have so many denominations is where I don't agree. There was to be one true church, and it was the one that would "obey". They will be according to scripture the ones in the end who kept the commandments of GOD, they persevered to the very end.
We have so many different gospels, some preach another JESUS, some just talk, some are in it only for the financial gain that they reap. Prosperity gospel, the health and wealth gospel, the name it and claim it gospel and the ever popular feel good gospel, are in today's churches, however, GOD just wants a people that will worship him in spirit and in "TRUTH". Not a watered down, polluted, gospel that's thinner than Kool Aid.

But, yes in the end GOD will know his people. The people are the church, not the building, or the denomination, but the souls. There will be a sorting of the wheat from the tare, the sheep from the goats or the same as the saved from the unsaved. JESUS said, "You must be born again". We must experience a spiritual re-birth where all the old goes away and the new comes in. We aren't born again when we still live as if we love the world and the things of the world. JESUS said, "If you love the world and the things of the world then the love of the FATHER is not in you".

There won't be any mistakes as to who is going to spend eternity with the LORD in the Kingdom of GOD, as GOD doesn't make any mistakes.

World Gone Crazy: Thanks for the blessing. In my opinion there are certainly NO perfect churches. The people make up the church and there are no perfect people. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD.
Only the LORD knows our hearts. I do believe we are saved by grace but we are judged by our works.
I also believe that we are not to "argue" about this topic which is not productive in any way. We should according to scripture "reason together". If however we are not able to reason with one another then we should agree to disagree and drop it as it usually causes conflict, and you certainly know that there is already enough conflict in the world and we don't need any more.

People will always disagree especially about Religion and Politics. Differences of opinions and a freedom of choice make us all different in our own way.

Hopefully you understood me to write that the way to GOD the FATHER is "ONLY" through JESUS CHRIST the Son, and not through as you said any organization, church or preacher or priest. It looked like you thought otherwise.

@ wandakate – I understood what you wrote- my comment was to clarify that 'WE MUST NOT GO THROUGH ANY OF MAN'S INSTITUTIONS' for true Biblical Salvation.
All of us need to be so very careful in our use of words in these very perilous 'end-of-the-end' times of great spiritual deception, and the exponentially rapid increase of "false teachers" and "false prophets" in which we are now living.
Our Wondrous GOD always is absolutely careful and accurate in the words that He uses!
(Ps 12:8 – KJV)

Dear Wandakate,

I couldn't agree with you more. I wanted to give a brief comment so that it would be read. Since returning from serving the Lord oversees I am amazed to discover that a good number of evangelicals, yes evangelicals, think we all believe the same doctrine. Nothing could be further from the truth. I love and respect RCs because of their belief in God and their sincerity, sadly lacking in many of our churches today. However the doctrine we cannot go along with. So it seems to me you and I are approaching this subject from different perspectives and really agree. Our attention needs to be on praying for our nation at this time in its history. I'm sure you agree and are engaged in doing this. We hold a monthly Prayer Meeting in our home "Prayer for the Nation" Hopefully many more will also do this.

Amen, Bro. Nick Nicholas! I could not agree more with your posting. And, "Tortured for Christ" and "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" are two of my all-time favorite books – thank you for the recommendations! It would be most interesting to hear Pastor Wurmbrand's reaction to today's news regarding Cuba. I think it might be even stronger than Marco Rubio's. God bless, Bro. Nick, and keep up the great work!