Pope Stirs Controversy Amongst Evangelicals

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VATICAN CITY (Worthy News)-- Pope Francis created a controversy amongst Evangelicals this week, when he stated in his weekly address, that those who believe they can maintain a "personal" and "direct" relationship with Jesus Christ outside the "mediation of the Church" was "dangerous and harmful."

In his weekly address from St. Peter's Square, the Pope said, "No one becomes Christian on his or her own! Is that clear? No one becomes Christian by him- or herself."

"Christians are not made in a laboratory. A Christian is part of a people who comes from afar. The Christian belongs to a people called the Church and this Church is what makes him or her Christian, on the day of Baptism, and then in the course of catechesis, and so on," the Pontiff continued.

"We are able to live this journey not only because of others, but together with others. In the Church there is no 'do it yourself', there are no 'free agents'," the Pope added.

"At times one hears someone say: 'I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, but I don't care about the Church...'. How many times have we heard this? And this is not good. There are those who believe they can maintain a personal, direct and immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside the communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations," he continued.

"Dear friends, let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church, for the grace never to fall into the temptation of thinking we can make it without the others, that we can get along without the Church, that we can save ourselves on our own, of being Christians from the laboratory," the Pope concluded.

Evangelicals have long maintained that one must become "born again" and true faith is not a religion, but a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

While many evangelicals are members of churches of many different denominations, the common denominator amongst Evangelicals is the need for a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ as the sole mediator to God. As Evangelicals often quote, "For there is one mediator between God and Man; the man Jesus Christ." [1 Timothy 2:5]

Pope's Entire Message on June 25, 2014

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126 thoughts on “Pope Stirs Controversy Amongst Evangelicals”

  1. Except that Rome hi-jacked the Church of Christ for their own political purposes. A person becomes a christian by joining himself to Christ, not to the Roman church. This alone results in regeneration. Water baptism doesn't save anybody, but is rather the outward profession of the inward possession of Christ. The Roman church confuses the physical water baptism for the spiritual baptism into Christ. The latter is a must-have, the former is recommended but optional and not necessary.

    • No true Christian has anything but an unflinching and undying love for the body of Christ. The pope is right if he means the true church and wrong if he means Rome. There is a VERY disturbing idea among American evangelicals in particular that one can be a Christian without being in a body, a member of a local body. They believe they can just jump around, or worse, stay home. The big-screen pastors are gathering pseudos for the most part, not Christians. Those who stay home and watch church on a screen and call it worship, for the most part have no earthly idea what biblical Christianity is. The Church is NOT optional. Being a member in the Church somewhere, submitting to elders, serving, loving, relating, being equipped is NOT optional. It is NOT secondary. To think otherwise is a display of extreme biblical ineptness at the highest levels.

      • It seems to me you claim the same thing as the pope only on a smaller scale. Instead of saying I need to belong to a worldwide earthly church you still want me to belong (have a obligation) to a smaller earthly only local church? Where does this idea come from? Biblical references to the church for instance the book written to the Philippians only meant the humans saved from their sins the followers in that city.it did not mean a denomination, a certain group that met every Sunday or under one pastor. The Bible instructs us to not forsake the gathering/fellowship with other believers. For some that could be there family and friends who do not have enough to meet in a earthly church building every Sunday.

    • No true Christian has anything but an unflinching and undying love for the body of Christ. The pope is right if he means the true church and wrong if he means Rome. There is a VERY disturbing idea among American evangelicals in particular that one can be a Christian without being in a body, a member of a local body. They believe they can just jump around, or worse, stay home. The big-screen pastors are gathering pseudos for the most part, not Christians. Those who stay home and watch church on a screen and call it worship, for the most part have no earthly idea what biblical Christianity is. The Church is NOT optional. Being a member in the Church somewhere, submitting to elders, serving, loving, relating, being equipped is NOT optional. It is NOT secondary. To think otherwise is a display of extreme biblical ineptness at the highest levels. Truly amazing that so many people think so poorly of the church. The church cannot be separated from Christianity. And a Christianity without the church is no Christianity at all. It is a deviant form of Christianity that insists on a "personal relationship" with Christ apart from the body of Christ. Simply absurd!

  2. It is possible for someone to become a christian through the scriptures alone, and have a relationship with God without participating in a community of believers. But the norm is to belong to a local church to practice the "one anothers" after coming to faith through christians' proclamation of the gospel. And of course the scriptures themselves come from the church.

    So what the pope says is kinda true, but wrong that it is the Roman Catholic Church that mediates grace.

    • When it comes to "the truth", "the law", "the word of the LORD"
      - it is either true - OR - it is a lie.
      "The Lord Jesus Christ" stated unto "GOD the Father" - "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." (John 17:17 - KJV)
      All of eternity depends on whether or not we trust in the absolute truth of "the truth" of what "the LORD GOD" says!!!

      • Sorry, my last reply dissapeared, I hope it got posted. It is not showing up yet. Anyway I am not supposed to start preaching for many years yet. But please use some common sense. You believe that every member of mankind is a child of god. No person is going to be worse off because of how they interpret the holy scriptures they believe in, if they live a good life. If your preacher tells you differently then ask him if he knows why there are over 100 billion galaxies, each with over a 100 billion stars. When he tells you he doesn't know, then you will know he is extremely ignorant of the Truth of Creation and you should not listen to any stupid things he says about our loving god condemning his external children to spend eternity suffering. God created his children to have happy external existences full of happiness, joy and pleasure, not suffering. Jesus would not stone an adulteress even though the bible said she should be stoned. Do you really think he is going to condem any of his children to eternal suffering for failing a comprehension test on any set of holy scriptures, no matter what religion he/she was born into.
        Relax, chill out, and be amused anytime you read someone who calls himself a christian but who believes jesus will send good, charitable, kind people to hell for failing a comprehension test.

      • And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
        And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God; but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
        He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
        Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
        The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up. What lack I yet?

        Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come and follow me.

        But when the young man heard that saying,he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions.

        Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you that a rich man shall [with difficulty] enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who, then, can be saved?

        But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
        Matthew 19:16-26. KJV.

        Anyone who reject the truth, they reject eternal life with God and Savior Jesus Christ. Plain and simple.

        Love and Peace!

      • I am either an end of times prophet or a nutter who hears voices. Consider that we are all children of

        the creators, what is the chance that we are going to be doomed to perdition or eternal suffering if

        we fail to interpret the holy scriptures correctly? Consider how likely you would be to condemn one of

        your own children to life imprisonment if he failed a test that took 1 minute for him to complete. Now

        consider how likely our creator is to condemn us to one million years of suffering if we fail a test

        that takes only 75 years, one lifetime in our current physical bodies. Now consider how much longer

        eternity is than one million years.

        Now consider that there are over 100 billion galaxies each with hundreds of billions of stars in the

        small part of this physical universe that our scientists have observed so far. It was only in the

        1930s that Huble revealed to mankind that there were galaxies other than our own Milky Way. The bilble

        does not mention other galaxies, it does not even mention other stars as far as I know. Such mentions

        would not have made any sense until the invention of the telescope. The bible reveals less than 0.01%

        of the Truth of Creation.

        Compare the amount of the Truth of Creation in the bible to the amount of knowledge necessary for a

        Doctorate of Theology. The total content of Truth of Creation in the bible is about equal to a parent

        teaching their 3 year old child to read a childs book BEFORE they start attending pre-school. Now

        consider again how much god is going to punish any of his children who fail to pass a test on

        correctly interpreting any or all of the holy scriptures given to mankind by ALL of god's true

        prophets so far.

        Part of my Mission will be to teach mankind of his own divinity. I estimate that the amount of Truth

        of Creation that has been revealed to me would be equivalent to about sixth class, the end of primary

        school, on the path to a doctorate in theology. But I believe I will only be allowed to teach mankind

        enough Truth of Creation to be equivalent to being somewhere in Kindergarten. That is Pre-school, then

        Kindergarten, then 1st class, the first real year of primary school.
        Consider how much difficulty you

        Christians are having on this page about the single issue of whether you need to be a member of any

        church to reach the father or can reach him directly through jesus.

        Somewhere in the bible I believe it says god sent prophets to every people and land and tongue, or

        words to that effect. Now if we look around the world we see LOTs of historical writings which people

        call their holy scriptures and claim were written by prophets who founded their religions. Buda,

        Mohammed, Confusius, the Hindu blokes, the Sikh blokes, etc. Now you have to decide whether the

        writers of every other major religion were true prophets called by god, false prophets called by

        satan, or simply nutters who heard voices like many of you may think I am. Now if you believe that god

        is really powerful, more powerful than satan, then you cannot think that the only prophets that he

        sent that succeeded in gaining a following were the old Jewish ones. You cannot think that satan's

        false prophets defeated god's true prophets in India, China, Africa etc. And you can't possibly think

        that nutters who heard voices beat out both god's true prophets and satan's false prophets everywhere

        else in the world.

        I put it to you that the writers of all the holy scriptures of every major religion in the world were

        true prophets of the creators. I put it to you that each set of holy scriptures in the world are

        simply like different childrens books to the children of god. Each set of scriptures are based on true

        revelation given to a prophet. But the Truth of Creation is simply so large that the seemingly

        irreconcilable differences are no more irreconcilable than stories about life on earth based on people

        living in different countries. When you have an overview of the Truth of Creation then the differences

        are easily understood. And for you blokes to get upset about whether you need to be a member of any church or just read YOUR scriptures is pretty amusing to me. You will all be SAVED, so will all belivers of all religions, and all non believers as well. God does not condem any of his children, he just entertains them in their many, many mortal lives.

      • He that overcometh shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

        But the fearful, unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and [fornicators], and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Revelation 21:7-8. KJV.

        But what saith it? The word is [near] thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart; that is, the word of faith, which we preach:
        That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
        For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans10:8-10. KJV.

        For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
        For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.
        He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18. KJV.

        Jesus said: Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39. KJV.


      • @ Prophet Maybe? - The Word of the Living God says:
        "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."
        (1 John 5:12 - KJV)
        Everyone has to make the personal choice of whether they believe unto Salvation what "the LORD GOD" says in HIS Holy Word:
        YES - or - NO
        ALL ETERNITY rests upon the answer

      • Bro. Nick and Jonathan thanks for replying.

        Good to see you know your scriptures. I wonder what scriptures you would have quoted if you had been born a muslim? Or a catholic? Or a mormon? Or a hindu?

        Have you considered that well over 90% of people stay in the religion they are born into, and accept that religion's holy scriptures as the word of god? And in Islam and Christianity the followers have split in schiems with various denominations having preachers who disagree greatly with each other about what their holy scriptures mean. These preachers often say that not only the infidels of other religions will be damned to hell for eternity but that also some, or many, or even most of the members of other schiems or denominations of their own religion will be damned to hell for eternity, that it is only followers of that preachers interpretation of what that religion's holy scriptures mean stand a chance of being saved and going to heaven.

        The pope has said you can only go to heaven if you are a member of the catholic church. Do you agree that there are many protestant preachers who undoubtedly believe that you are doomed to hell for eternity because you interpret the meaning of some of the bibles contents differently to what they consider to be correct?

        Now remember I am either a nutter who hears voices that are not really there, or I am being called to be an End of Times Prophet by god, or a false prophet by satan. And if it is satan, then in my opinion it is not a run of the mill false prophet I am being called to be, if it is satan calling me then he is calling me to be the antichrist. My mission is supposed to be to unite mankind accross all boundaries and provide solutions to mankind's problems and to teach mankind of his own divinity. That includes not only forming a world government but also uniting all religions by reconciling how all the authors of the holy scriptures of every major religion were called by the Holy Father.

        Just for credibility, so that you will not write me off as a nutter, here are some facts that I hope will keep you interested in talking to me. Ten days after my calling event an old friend who had been trying to convert me to being a morman for a couple of decades rang me. I told him to come over that I needed to talk. He came over and I told him some of my revelation, he said he felt the spirit repeatedly. I felt a tingling in my spine repeatedly during our conversations. Over a dozen times Trev heard my supposed revelation and recognised the issue and found the places in the Doctrine and Covernants (writen by Joe Smith and considered to be holy scripture by the mormons) where Joe had written his revelation that was in many cases a close paraphrasing of my supposed revelation, and in other cases a similar concept but far less clear than what I was saying. Later 2 Mormon missionaries called at my house and I told them some of my revelation and they agreed that it sounded like correct revelation which was consistent with Mormon teachings in many cases. These two missionaries initially rejected my revelation on 5 points. I used their own scriptures, which include the bible, to convince them that the Mormon Church's Teachings were wrong on those 5 points. Then the voices told me I had enough confirmation and that I should cancel visits from those missionaries.

        So it is definite that either god or satan is messing with me. So if you are interested please indulge me in some discussions. When I was called I was open minded on the issue of whether or not god existed. No proof for, no proof against, or so I believed until my calling. It was revealed to me that any believer who was commited to any religion would have been unsuitable for my mission. A life time of brainwashing that a particular denomination of any particular religion would make it too difficult for me to interpret my revelation correctly. The voices just play games with me, my revelation comes in concept form and I must interpret it to the best of my ability. I must use logic to interpret what the revelation means. I must consider everything I know, and I must reject any idea about the meaning of my concept revelation if it is inconsistent with data that is reliable. I have been at this for over 7 years and the voices tell me that my mission will start between 10 years and 1,030 years from the date of my calling event.

        I am not supposed to teach my revelation until my mission starts. I am allowed to discuss my revelation with my mormon friend because he is my "spiritual advisor". He will not discuss it with others. I was rebelling against my calling when I discussed the revelation with the mormon missionaries. I was relaxed and happy at the missionaries agreeing that their church's teaching were wrong on 5 counts. Then I was told to cancel their visits because I had enough confirmation. It is up to god how much they discuss my revelation with others.

        Anyway if you are interested I would like you to play a game about the Truth of Creation with me. I do not want you to blindly follow some preacher's teaching about what the scriptures mean. I do not want you to follow the interpretations of any person other than the prophets and JC himself. For truly was JC a man as well as the son of god. And as a man he was a prophet. As a son of god he was divine. But I want you to think about some questions. I want you to use logic, to evaluate all the reliable data you know and come to a logical conclusion about the answer to some questions. You can quote some scripture to back up your conclusions but please consider contradictory scriptures as well.

        Was JC literate? Could he read and write? Hint, he debated the torah with the holy men in the temple when he was a kid.

        If god had wanted to give christians a reliable set of teachings of the messiah that were worth even a quarter of the amount of arguement among preachers and theologians about the interpretation of what JC said, would he not have told JC to write down his teachings? If not that, then would God not have had a literate apostle write down JC's teachings after each surmon and had JC review and approve the text?

        Why did god not have anyone write out the teachings of JC for decades after JC died?

        Were the writers of the new testament the apostles who heard JC preach? I don't know, when I was a child I thought the apostles wrote the new testament but I have heard that it was not them.

        Could god have created "plausible deniability" about JC's teachings? Deliberately? It really will make my mission easier for christians. BTW, Mohammed also did not write his teachings, they were written 20 or 30 years after Mohammed died, from memories of his disciples of teachings they heard years before Mohammed died. It will be as easy as crap to convince muslims not to take the Koran as the actual, word for word teachings of Mohammed. I think there are actually 4 versions of everything in the Koran and they vary a lot from the small amount I have read.

        Did JC say that we should forgive our neighbours 70 times, or was it 70 times 70?

        Did JC actually mean that after some number of times of forgiving your neighbour you can stop forgiving him? Or was JC making the point to always forgive your neighbour?

        Did JC say as long as you repent your sins you will be forgiven those sins by god? Did he mean even murder, even pillow biting, even adultery?

        Did many other prohets also teach or write that as long as you repent, all sins will be forgiven by god?

        Situation, a 24 year old mafia hit man with 56 kills of innocent victims is killed in car accident crossing the street. And he has not repented, You believe he will be damned to hell for eternity?

        Situation, that hit man survives that accident, by age 35 he has killed 268 innocent victims. His son gets fatally ill, the doctor says the son will be dead in 2 days. The hit man's wife prays to god to save the son. The son recovers, the doctor says it is a miracle. The hit man believes in god and repents all his sins, and heads to the nearest bar to celebrate his son's survival. The hit man is killed crossing the street. You believe he will be saved, ie not damned to hell? Think about it. Use logic and evaluate whether god would actually behave that way. Please do not just spout scripture. Think it through.

        Do you believe that we are all children of god?

        Do you believe that our spiritual pilots exist before we are born?

        Do you believe that our spiritual pilots come into existence when or at some time after we are concieved in our mother's wombs? I honestly don't know what the general opinion of christians is on this issue.

        This is already far to long for a single post. But I really want to have some religious discussions, and find out some christian beliefs. Sorry I did not get around to questions relating to the topics you originally replied to but if you answer this post I will have many more questions for you to think through if you are interested.

        Consider that I believe it is my mission to unite mankind across all boundaries, including religious boundaries. I simply can't go off half cocked like olden day prophets who only had a small flock and could get away with any garbage interpretation of their concept revelations. I will have to unite the followers of all those old slackers who didn't worry at all about reconciling the differences of their teachings with their own previous prophets. If you spend a few minutes thinking about what various prophets said you should identify many contraditions between them.

        I really hope I have gotten you interested in talking to me.

        Love, from a fellow child of god.

      • Prophet Maybe, your first paragraph contains the well-known genetic fallacy, so it is invalid. It also should be noted that India, China, and Africa comprise the fastest growing revivals in Christianity today (as the West falls into rampant apostasy, I might add) - and the Middle East is exploding, not just in bombs, but in Christian revival (as well as persecution - the two are related). So, the argument that they are all being condemned because of where they are born is invalid also.

        As for flunking the test, it's really not THAT hard of a test is it? The main and plain readings of Jesus' sayings are that one has to (as a minimum) believe on Him to be saved. All of the 3 main branches of Christianity - Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox - accept this as a minimum essential to the faith.

        Furthermore, no one in the Bible talked more about Hell than Jesus. If Hell is for real, then we should give this concept careful study. Surely God does not want anyone in Heaven who hates Him - why would He force Heaven on anyone? I have debated atheists, and they have told me that, if they are wrong in their a-theism, and if the God of the Bible truly exists and sends them to Hell, they are going to organize a mass rebellion against Him! My reply: "It won't be necessary: He will not be there." Do you REALLY think that God wants that sort in His Home? Would you invite an Occupy Wall Streeter, Obama worshipper, or abortionist into your home for an extended stay? I certainly would not. (Of course, any of these sorts of creatures could repent and come to know the Lord Jesus - and many have.)

        God Bless!

      • @ Prophet Maybe?
        I am a CHRISTian, and totally believe in "THE TRUTH" which has been revealed to man by "the LORD GOD" in His Holy Word - the Holy Bible. As it was written by the Jewish Apostle Paul:
        7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
        8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
        9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
        10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved.
        11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
        12 That they all might be damned who believed not THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
        (2 Thess 2:7-12 - KJV) - CAPITALization mine - Bro. Nick
        Your choice is to 'love THE TRUTH, that you might be saved'
        - OR -
        "believe a lie" that you "might be damned"
        I pray for your sake that you will come to Biblical belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. (Rom 10:8-11)
        - your present beliefs are yours - they most certainly are not mine.

      • One thing is for sure, when people know the "truth", the "truth" will set them free. GOD's word is truth!

      • Well, 3 responses, with no information that I can really interpret.

        WorldGoneCrazy, what is the genetic fallacy? So there is a great rival going on in some places. What percentage of the local believers do you think get to hear a missionary? Anyone caught trying to convert a muslim to any other faith risks imprisonment or even death. Missionaries don't preach publicly in many Islamic countries. Plus what about all the Muslims who lived and died without ever hearing anyone say that Mohammed was a false prophet?

        No, it is the wrong thing to do to argue against your statements. I am a new believer in need of help with my new found faith. I need your guidance, not an arguement with any of you.

        I was a non-believer, not a dis-believer, just open minded on the question of god's existence. Then I was called, and got revelation. I now know that god exists, that he created the Universe, I even know how he created the universe, how he manifests physical matter out of his own divine substance. I also know that our self awareness is in fact our sentient spiritual pilot which simply pilots our physical bodies through mortal lives. Physical matter is only a divine manifestation, it is not actually real in the sense that scientists believe. I also know that physical matter cannot be alive in the sense that scientists believe it is. The only thing that truly exists is, no I cannot reveal that yet, that would be actual revelation. I get revelation only about spiritual matters, what I said above is one layer below my revelation, it is my logical deductions of how the universe works which I deduced from my spiritual revelation. BTW, I also know why there are hundred of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars. And there are trillions of Physical Universes. Creation is very, very, very large.

        I must not again give my actual revelation to anyone except my spiritual advisor, as I did with the 2 mormon missionaries which I mentioned before. But my spiritual advisor is a damn mormon and doesn't know what the mainstream christian beliefs are on some topics.

        Please tell me the answers to the questions I will ask below. I need to know some of these things so I can evaluate the correct interpretation of my spiritual revelation.

        Do mainsteam christians believe that our spiritual pilots (souls) exist in the spirit world for some time before they are put into physical bodies to pilot through a physical life?

        Do you believe our souls come into existence at or after conception?

        Do you believe god creates our souls deliberately?

        Or do you believe that god simply creates souls for each baby who is concieved so that our souls are simply created incidentally to life in the physical universe?

        Do you believe that our souls are spirit children of god? If not, then what do you believe our souls are?

        What is the standard teaching of what people who are saved will be doing for the rest of eternity? I was baptised a catholic but was gifted in math and science ability and stopped believing in god by age 12 because of the lack of evidence and the lack of any logical theology from the nuns and brothers who taught me religion. All I remember is something vague like spending eternity gazing at the face of god and being in eternal bliss or something.

        There is no point asking any more questions now, until I get a response, or not.

        Please consider me as a new believer in god, the creator of all that is. Please teach me what you consider a new believer should know. But please put it in your own words, not scripture quoted in a way that a novice cannot interpret meaningfully. You have all had at least years if not decades to get used to reading scripture and getting some meaning out of it. You may not believe this but in first year law studies I read my rental lease and it was indecipherable to me. By second year law I read my new lease and it was clear as a bell what the legalise meant. As far as scripture is conerned it makes little more sense to a newcomer than my lease made to me in first year law.

        Please, please, if you answer the above questions at all, answer them in english, in your own words, then you can quote the scriptural passages on which you base your answers.

        If any one wants to take on the task of being a missionary to me, I would like to take this discussion off the blog and exchange emails instead. Does this chat forum allow people to post their email address in a post?

        Love, a fellow child of god

      • Prophet Maybe: You asked about the "soul". In the first book of the bible Genesis, it tells about creation and it says that when GOD created the first man Adam he breathed the breath of life into Adam and he became a living "soul". That also means person-human and being. So, a person is actually a soul. Then when JESUS died on the cross one of the very last things He said was to GOD the FATHER in heaven, and He said, "FATHER, into thy hands I commit my spirit". Apparently it was His spirit that left His body and went back to GOD in heaven. JESUS also said that "all souls are mine". So, that would mean that all souls (people) belong to JESUS. I think at death it's a reverse process. The person died, the spirit of GOD leaves the person's body at that moment and returns to GOD that gave it to them in the beginning at birth. Then when it's time for the resurrection GOD will supernaturally give the people back their spirits. So to sum it all up, we are a soul with a spirit on the inside of us. Several passages in scripture do say that we have a spirit within us. Scripture says that we must worship in spirit and in truth, doesn't say to worship with a soul, but in spirit and in truth. Also the Kingdom of GOD will be a spiritual Kingdom. Flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of GOD, only spirits. If a soul left our body then it would perhaps be a Kingdom of souls, but it's spirits that will be there. GOD is a spirit, GOD the FATHER, and JESUS CHRIST the son was flesh and blood for His earthly life here.
        Hope this helps. Keep searching and you will find the answers. Not just any answers but the "truth" and the truth will set you free. GOD word is truth.

      • Thank you WandaKate. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally a well stated case in plain English that I can easily understand. I am amazed that a christian who frequents this site is so unsure on the issue of just what we are. To me the issue of what WE are is the primary issue in all of existence for us to understand. BTW, existence includes the Eternal Everlasting God who always was, is and always will be, who created all that ever was, is or will be, and who can be considered to be a Universe until itself. Plus the Spiritual Universe in which we exist as spiritual sentient beings, our spiritual bodies or souls, plus the Physical Universe in which our physical bodies exist. To clarify, God created both the Spiritual Universe for His spirit children, us, to exist in as sentient beings, and the Physical Universe for His spirit children to experience happiness, joy and pleasure that is not available in the Spirit Universe. IF I am an End of Times Prophet, part of my Mission will be to teach Mankind of his own divinity. I suppose that may be why I think the question of just what WE are is the number one question we should be interested in, because I know the answer, and the answer is GOOD.
        Boy I skated close to the line of revealing my Revelation there, but I have not actually told you what WE are in any more detail than at least one christian sect that I know about teaches to anyone who will listen. I am not supposed to teach my Revelation until god tells me to start my mission. At the moment I am only in preparation.
        I don't mean to contradict what you said, I got the impression from your post that you were not detailing what you have held as a strong belief for a long time, but rather addressing an issue that you had not given a lot of thought to for your own benefit, but rather that you were thinking about something to answer my question for my benefit. I sincerely hope I have not offended you by trampling on your beliefs if I misinterpreted the tone of your post.
        I want to address the details you gave in your post, but I think this post is going to appear directly below your post and above the last post that I put on yesterday. For the benefit of anyone who reads this forum I want my major posts to list in the order that I write them so that they will make more sense to anyone reading throught this forum and increase the possibility they will comment to me rather than writing me off as a nutter.
        I also have to think through the strategy I should use in discussing issues. I am not allowed to actually start teaching my Revelation as my Revelation, and I would not even try to do so on this forum where so many contributers are so invested in particular interpretations of holy scriptures and would simply write off anything I said as heresy if I put it forward in the wrong way. I will probably use the strategy of asking questions and possibly quoting some teachings . By the way, some questions I will ask, like the questions about the soul which you answered, because I do not know the answers and I do want to know the answers. Some questions I will ask to get readers to consider how two or more of their own interpretations of the different teachings in the scriptures interact with each other and reveal to readers that certain of their interpretations of various quotes are inconsistent with each other.
        Anyway I definitely want you to read my actual reply on your post about the soul or spirit so check back each day for a while. If I haven't posted that reply within a week it is because I have been forbidden to do so, as I was told to stop teaching the missionaries who were visiting me to listen to me teach them my Revelation instead of them teaching me their church's revelation.
        Love, a fellow child of god.

      • To: Prophet Maybe... Hi, All of your thank you's are appreciated and you are so welcome. I read what you wrote and how unfulfilled you were as a successful worldly person and about how lost you were spiritually. The Holy Spirit is what filled you up with peace and joy and changed your outlook and gave you hope. It seems the LORD is calling you for whatever He has for you as earthly work until He comes again. I hope you stay away from cults and people who will steer you the wrong way. They sound right and smooth, they may dress decent, smile a lot and be very friendly, but unless you are grounded in the scriptures, they will and can easily lead you astray, CAUTION/BEWARE is in order.
        As for as simplifying things it must be my writing style. I took Revelation and simplified it so that the average person (even one without a degree of any sort) would be able to understand it. I don't have the extensive worldly education that you have, but I do have some years and knowledge of scripture along with some wisdom from above and that is enough. I am now in the process of getting my manuscripts in print as they need to be out for people so they can learn what the word says and heed it. The truth is what people need. We have been so inundated with lies and a watered down gospel that isn't even as strong as Kool-Aid. The LORD wants us to know the "truth", before it's too late. Many churches talk and celebrate traditions but is that truth? Ahhhhh...
        Thank you for such a strong testimony, WOW! I am impressed with your past accomplishments, however, I feel that spiritual knowledge is what will be needed in the days that we are headed for. We are not to love the world or the things of the world or the love of the FATHER is not in us. We are to overcome evil. We are to be in the world, but not of the world. I am happy for you and hope and pray that you will continue to learn and display the fruits of the spirit. Also good to know you don't say all those bad words anymore, that is another blessing. I hope your wife is on the same page as you so that the two of you can grow together in the faith of the LORD, and read and study the word as a team. A house divided cannot stand.
        Hope to read some more of your comments and will be looking for some more questions. I hope you understood the "soul" answer that I gave you. We are a soul (as Adam was) and we have a spirit inside of us (as when JESUS gave up His spirit to the FATHER), and we do not have an immortal soul as we are taught. Only JESUS was immortal (could not die). We are mortals in the flesh and we can die. The scripture says, "The soul (person) that sins, it shall die", meaning a spiritual death. We know that we all die a physical death, but if we sin the death becomes physical as well as spiritual. You are intelligent enough to understand but this is made simple for the average reader just in case.
        I like questions and I love to answer them with the "truth", so in case you have any, I am here for you. I live in North Carolina and I am available to help if I am needed. My best accomplishments were the ones where I helped somebody else understand the "truth" of the word and not deceive them. GOD's word is truth, and the real truth will set you free. WK

      • Thank you WandaKate. I was pleased by your post. You said lots of nice things. It cheered me up significantly. But I think you mixed up WorldGoneCrazy's acedemic and worldy success with mine. I have not mentioned my career or qualifications, and while I did swear somewhat, it was less than average, and I have only reduced my swearing a small amount since my calling if you discount my words to my voices, if you count them then I now swear as much as WorldGoneCrazy used too. I am impressed that you have written manuscripts to print and get the Word out. I have a testimony that the Infinite, Eternal, Everlasting God Created all that is, was or everwill be, except himself, that is as strong as any person on Earth. I have a testimony that Jesus is the Chist, the son of god and the Messiah, that is also as strong as any person on Earth, because I KNOW this to be True.
        I do not have any Faith, if you define faith as belief without proof. I used to believe that the hole idea of Faith, as defined as belief without proof was fruitcake stuff, and according I dismissed anyone who claimed to have this Faith as a fruitcake. I have not changed my opinion on this. But I now believe that the Holy Spirit exists and that his modus operandi is to give people knowledge of god. What I mean by this is that the holy spirit touches a persons mind and then that person simply knows that god exists the same way that a scientist who puts 6 marbles in a jar and seals the jar and holds the jar in his hand all day knows all day that there are 6 marbles in the jar. The proof he has that there are 6 marbles in the jar is that he put them there himself and he knows nobody has tampered with the jar.
        The holy spirit simply bypasses the issue of proof and directly creates the knowledge he wishes a person to have so that the person then knows whatever the holy spirit gives him knowledge of. This is NOT "belief without evidence". It is knowledge as sure as anyone can "know" anything after seeing evidence of that thing. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not saying that everyone who has faith actually has "Faith". A lot of believers are fruitcakes, and they truly do "believe without proof". They have never been given knowledge by the holy spirit, they are people who want to believe in god, or something else, for some reason, perhaps because they feel a need for a purpose for life, or some other reason. It does not matter to me what they have faith in, the Bible, the Koran, Jesus or that preacher who poisoned all his followers. Do you agreed that the people who followed that lunatic had faith, not Faith? Do you agreed those blokes were fruitcakes?
        Unfortunely for me I was not given Faith by god. My mission is too important to accept any belief without evidence. I KNOW that God created the Universe, because I recieved Revelation about how matter is Manifested. Even God cannot actually Create matter, that would be magic, and even God cannot do magic in the base level of Existence. But God found a way around this problem and Manifested as much matter and space and time as He wanted to. Within Creation, which is the name of all that God Manifested, God can do Anything He wants to do. Any miracles, any magic, Anything he wasts to. And he allows his Elder Children to do LOTS of stuff too. Jesus can fly, create matter, uncreate matter, heal any spirit children of god who need healing and who god allows him to heal, and LOTS more.
        But for me, belief without evidence is simply not acceptable (to god), it would make me unsuitable for my Mission, so the voices tell me. There was a man called Joe nearly 200 years ago. I believe he was called as the first End of Days Prophet, although I am not certain he was an End of Days Prophet I think he was. I have no idea who the second End of Days Prophet is. I believe I am a Candidate for the End Times Prophet Mission, just to clear up the issue of End of Days versus End Time Prophets. Now Prophet Joe taught a lot of detail about our souls or spirits, I believe far more than any other Christian Prophet. He taught that all the spirit children of the heavenly father were created long ago and lived in the spirit world before they are sent to Earth to get their physical body, that when that physical body dies their spirits return to the spirit world, were they get a second chance to accept Jesus Christ and be baptised. One day they will be resurrected and then Judgement Day will come and everyone will be Judged by Jesus, some will be condemned to hell, the rest will be Judged to one of 3 levels of glory. Consider how good the levels of glory to be by the amount of light as follows: under the stars, under the moon, and under the sun. Under the sun is the celestial Level of Glory and it is a level of glory where you are a god.
        Now I believe Prophet Joe recieved Revelation that was the Truth of Creation, but that Prophet Joe did not interpret his Revelation correctly. Firstly, I believe he got the bit about hell wrong if he said anything about external suffering (I am not sure whether he just said hell or added detail about suffering), as I believe every prophet who preached about hell being eternal suffering interpreted their Revelation incorrectly. I also believe that he got lots of details wrong about the judgement for people who avoided hell. But I do believe he got the detail about the soul or spirit nature of the children of god on earth extremely more correct than any other Christian Prophet.
        However another man who may, or may not, have been one of the Prophets which the Bible mentions as being sent to every land and people and tongue, said that after you die you will be judged on the net balance of the good and the bad you have done, and the universal power (words to this effect I think, I have not actually read his teachings only heard about them) will reincarnate you as you deserve. I think there was mention of cochroaches or cows or birds, maybe even a rich man or poor man, but you get my drift, no hell. Now, forget the details of how you interpret the writings in the Bible, just work off the presumption that god is good, just, fair, forgiving, loving and the Father of every person on Earth, do you think Joe or the other bloke is more likely to be correct about the severity of the Judgement outcomes?
        Now I should have dealt with what you said about the soul or spirit. Firstly I consider that it is extremely likely that when one Prophet said soul, and another Prophet said spirit, they were both talking about the same thing, just using different words to articulate the concept which I believe they recieved in concept form. I recieve my Revelation in concept form, and I have to translate that Revelation into words. If this is the same way that the olden day Prophets, and Prophet Joe recieved their Revelation, then what they wrote, if they wrote anything themselves was revelation, NOT Revelation. Now if you believe that god gave them Revelation word by word as they wrote it down, then I can accept that you would believe that the original text they wrote was Revelation, and I would agree. Now consider each time it was translated by non prophets, both when decaying parchments were copied and sometimes updated to current versions of the same language, as in plain english versions of the Bible, and sometimes from one language to another. Even if you believe the original text was the "Word of God" or Revelation, surely you cannot believe that Any single version of the Bible in English is Revelation rather than mere revelation. What I am getting at here is the difference between the "Word of God" and somebodies "interpretation" or "translation" of some written words.
        Just read, or remember, some of the forums on THIS site alone and you will see how differently people interpret some passages of the "Word of God". Consider if 4 readers from this site each wrote a plain english version of any edition of the Bible you choose. I put it to you that there would be translations into modern english of the same passages that would be unrecognisable as coming from the same original text. Every time anyone "translates" a bible from one languae to another, or even updates an old bible in their own language to a current language, or plain english version, then you no longe have the original holy scripture, the translation is only the translator's interpretation of the holy scripture.
        I also put it to you that when the bible was first translated from Hebrew to Greek you no longer had actual holy scripture, you had the translator's interpretation of the holy scripture.
        I also put it to you that the men who wrote the new testament decades after Jesus death wrote their interpretation of what they had heard other people tell them were Jesus teachings.
        Even if you believe that Jesus Apostles wrote the gospels, the best they could do was write their memories of Jesus words. And many scholers claim some parts of some of the gospels were copied from other gospels or parts of other gospels.
        The Koran was written at least 20 years after Mohamed's death by his disciples who heard Mohammed preach, they were selected because they personally heard Mohammed preach. Each writer wrote his memory of what Mohammed said. Read a few paragraphs and see how different each of the memories are of each of Mohammed's teachings.
        I also put it to you that if the actual Prophets received Revelation in concept form and they then translated those concepts into words, even if they wrote those words immediately, then what they wrote was revelation NOT Revelation. It was the Prophets "interpetation" of their Revelation that got written down, NOT the "WORD OF GOD", rather, the word of god as interpreted by the Prophet. No, even that is too good. It was not even the word of god, if they received Revelation in concept form, what they wrote was at best "revelation", not the "word of god". I can tell you that even today there are no word that I know, and I no that there are no words in any language on Earth to explain the Truth of Creation that has been revealed to me.
        I hear voices of spiritual beings whose jobe it is to phycologicaly torment and torture me. I do not believe a single word they say because they say it, but I do sometimes decide that some things they say are probably true. But these voices absolutely do not give me revelation, I NEVER consider any words I hear to be revelation. My Revelation is in concept form. It is my job to work out what it means and translate it into words. I intend to write my revelation down, and I know it will be accepted as holy scriptures, but I know it will NOT be the "word of god", it will be "revelation" with a small r, it will only be my interpretation of my Revelation.
        Re read WorldGoneCrazy's post on the issue of the creation story in Genisis. He has reconciled it with modern science and says it is consistent when you translate the concept of days to ages I think. Now if god had given that Prophet's Revelation in words, and that Prophet had written those words as god spoke, then wouldn't any scientist be able to read Genisis and see that the story of creation was correct and inconcievably expressed in words available over 3,000 years before the concepts were first given names by men.
        You must agree that if Genisis was truly the "Word of God" then WorldGoneCrazy would not have needed any help reconciling Genisis with modern science. The "Word of God" would have been far better than the "revelation" in Genisis. Surely have a certainty that God would have found words even 3,000 years ago that would have been self evidently consistent with modern science to an engineer with 4 degrees.
        But god does not work that way.
        Sorry I got off the topic of souls or spirits. Consider a girl born in Iran in 1990 to a rich family. At 8 years old her family die and she is given into the care of an uncle. He marries her, at age 8, rapes her nightly and beats her for crying, but it causes her so much pain that she can't stop crying each time he rapes her until she is 13. So eah time she is raped, she cries and is also beaten. Plus the uncle uses her money as his own until all her inheritance is gone. Just what is legal in that fallen religion, I believe that the council of immams confirmed this behaviour was legal within the last 2 years. Now at age 22 she falls in love with a nice young man, has loving tender sex and runs away with that man. She is caught, whipped and stoned to death under shia law.
        Now let us consider the situation if what you said you extracted from the "Word of God" about souls and spirits was in fact the Truth of Creation" which God Created. Her soul comes into existence in 1990, it has 8 years of not suffering, 5 years of Hell on Earth, 9 years of just being a muslim wife of a husband who beats his wives a lot, say 1 year of not too bad with her lover. Then torture and execution, then her soul returns to god so she has no concious existence. Then her body is resurected, then she learns about Judgement and hell for adultery, she has as long as it takes for her turn before Judgement when she knows Jesus will condem her to hell. So all the waiting time is phycological torment and torture. She will obviously beg for forgiveness, as will everyone who has committed a "hell" crime, but if anyone is going to hell, then Jesus MUST not be allowed to forgive her sins, you try to play that card and you lose the idea of anyone going to hell, even satan is going to repent and beg for mercy. Now Jesus MUST not be allowed to forgive anyone who is going to go to hell, otherwise NOBODY GOES TO HELL. So she goes to hell. Now lets consider her existence, 24 years plus the wait for judgement day is not HellFire Suffering, but most of it is really, really bad suffering, but just Earth level suffering. The she suffers HellFire Suffering for 10 times100 times 1000 times, 1,000,000 times, 1billion times, 1trillion times the live she had that was NOT HellFire Suffering, and after that she suffers HellFire Suffering for a trillion times as long as you can concieve of eternity, and then she suffers Eternal HellFire Suffering which never, ever, ends.
        Are you still confident your interpretation is correct?
        Now consider a hypertethical, god selects you and satan and grants you the power to create your own physical universes and impliment whatever rules you want for Judgement. One universe has rules like I outlined above. One universe has rules not as bad as the ones set out above. One universe has an unspecified set of rules.
        In your opinion which universe is likely to be the one which god rules over, which one is likely to be the one satan rules over, and which one is likely to be the one you rule over. And you specify whether the third universe has Judgement rules better or worse than each of the first two universes.
        This is already far too long so I will wind up quickly.
        WandaKate. Is your respect for god great enough that you would choose to implement the soul or spirit rules, and judgement rules that your interpretation of the holy scriptures indicate god has chosen? Or would you choose more humane rules? On the issue of hell, I do not say there is no place called hell with fire and brimstone wher people may be sent. But in my opion the fire is more likely to be for the purpose of making the occupants cosy than for tormenting and torturing them for Eternity. I you still believe Eternal HellFire Suffering is the correct interpretation of scriptures then please read my desription of how long Eternity is, and then multiply it by a trillion times a trillion, and realise that if you compare Eternity to a Marathon, all that time I just laid out represents the start of the explosion of the starting pistol for the race, and even that is overstating the percentage of Eternity that has passed by the time all the years I specified have passed.
        Now consider the issue of Eternal Damnation for anyone who does not find Jesus, or finds him but cannot believe in his resurrection, but lives a better life than 99% of the people you believe will be saved. Remember anyone who repents before they die gets saved. By the standard interpretations of reptenting, if two christian missions knocked on Hitlers bunker the morning he died, and he had accepted Jesus and repented one second before a bomb killed him, then Hitler will be judged to go to heaven with a completely clean record, not even a parking ticket against him, while every Jew who didn't accept Jesus will go to hell for Eternity, including all the ones Hitler murdered.
        Please reconsider your interpretations of the "revelation" in the bible.
        WorldGoneCrazy, ditto.
        I am going to get kicked off this site posting such long entries off the topic of this site. How do you get a page opened on a new topic?
        Love, a fellow child of god.

      • Apology is in order for the mix up and you are correct. It must have been late or I was just very tired and not paying attention, sorry about that. I will try to pay attention now that you have brought my attention to doing so.
        Your book/comment ( it seemed like a book it was so long), was deep, very deep and in my opinion not really productive to others. All of these things don't benefit people-only you, which apparently are coming from some of these voices in your head. The voices are of a satanic nature. GOD does not put unknown voices in our heads to torment us ever. As for something you said in this comment...You said that this woman's soul returns to GOD so she has no conscious existence. You misread or misinterpreted what I had written. Please comprehend what I had said about soul and spirit. She was created a "living soul" just like Adam, but she had a "spirit" within her (which was the breath of life) and it was her "spirit" that returned to GOD at her death, not an immortal soul.
        She was a "soul", meaning person-being-human etc. The person's
        "spirit" is what leaves the body at death. UNDERSTAND? As far as the waiting period, she has no waiting time until the resurrection for she won't be aware of anything, and when JESUS comes for the saints that will be quick, in a moment, in the twinkling of the eye at the last trumpet.
        She wasn't tortured or tormented psychologically. She never begged for forgiveness as she was dead, she knew nothing from that point on.
        JESUS forgives sins while we are alive in the flesh, however once we die, it's too late then. Who on earth told you Satan would repent and beg for mercy? Where are you getting all this "crazy" information? Sounds like you are being influenced by a cult of some sort. The woman was not aware of anything just as JESUS said in scripture, the dead know nothing, it's like they were asleep. All this suffering didn't happen yet. IF she was designed to go to hell b/c she didn't know JESUS, and wasn't saved it won't be for another 1,000 years according to scripture. The resurrection of the saved and the unsaved are separated by a thousand year millennium. JESUS comes and takes the saved from the earth, then he comes again 1,000 years later and judges the unsaved people and that is when the battle of Armageddon takes place.
        I'm not going to imagine all of these different universes with GOD, Satan and myself as you suggested as I find that a total waste of time. That serves absolutely NO purpose whatsoever. GOD has given me common sense and wisdom and I try to use it and not waste it on trivial matters.
        HELL is total separation from GOD forever and nothing good will be there, no pleasure, just evil day and night. That is where Satan, the False Prophet and the Antichrist will be and all of the demons. Souls (people) will be miserable there. It's nothing like you suggested with a cozy fire and as it's more of a miserable existence. I never mentioned (hell fire) in any of my comments that I can recall or any thing pertaining to Hell until now.
        As for time-Our time is not GOD's time, nor are our ways His ways...No comparison there whatsoever. If a person finds JESUS as you say, they will believe in His resurrection. They will believe in the virgin birth, they will believe he was baptized down into the water, they will believe in all of His good will, His miracles, His love, His grace, His comforter (the Holy Spirit), but also that He hates sin and will not tolerate it as it will not be in the Kingdom of GOD. They will also believe that He has a plan for planet earth and that He will be coming back soon to rid this evil world of sin once and for all. They will love Him, praise Him, Trust Him and have faith in Him. They will have a blessed hope that they will be with Him forever in the New Heaven and the New Earth (see Revelation).
        Nobody will be saved but those souls who believed and obeyed Him and the ones who persevered until the very end and refused the mark of the beast. They will be saved.
        Getting as deep as you go with all these things that don't matter to the average reader is most likely not necessary in this forum and is actually stressing me out. I'm more concerned about people going to the Kingdom of GOD and avoiding hell altogether. I feel it's more productive to get out the "truth" of the word as much as possible. Best as far as I'm concerned to just simplify things so the average reader can understand and benefit from what I am writing. If things get too deep, I lose a lot of people that might otherwise understand and learn, as we should broaden our horizons if we can.
        As for knowing the original text that JESUS preached to the disciples, we will "never" know it. Many books were supposed to go into the Bible, the book of Maccabees (hope I spelled it correctly), were completely left out. Our gospel I will admit has been translated, changed, added to, taken away from and watered down but I can't do anything about all that. All I can do is show love and the fruits of the spirit to my fellow man, love the LORD GOD with all my heart and my neighbor as myself and strive to "obey" what he commanded me and He will bless me for my efforts and my trust and faith. I pray to be forgiven for my sins and trespasses every single night.
        If you write again please try not to get so complicated and deep. Thanks, WK
        P.S. Hoping you are not involved in any cults. You need to check the book of cults to see if you might be listening to people or voices that have thoughts that are contrary to what GOD wants us to learn. With some of these things you are saying I am beginning to wonder.

      • PROPHET MAYBE.?.. Hey again, I just read what you had written to world gone crazy. I see where you talk about not giving your actual revelation to anyone but your spiritual advisor. That sounds like some type of fake palmist or something, some guru or fortune teller of sorts.
        We are not to have any advisors except JESUS, as He alone is our advisor and our advocate/mediator to the FATHER in heaven. Your advisors are Mormons you said so please tell me that isn't so. Of course they don't know what's in the real Bible as they use the Book of Mormon. They know very little of what is in the Bible that Christians use. Mormon's in case you didn't know are not Christians. They are listed as one of the largest cults besides the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Catholics. I know you were raised Catholic, but they are in the book of cults. I did not write the book of cults so I am not to be blamed.
        Now, I am going to attempt to answer your questions that you asked world gone crazy which I don't think that person answered for you.
        We "may have" had a spiritual connection before birth as JESUS did say, "I knew you even when you were in your mother's womb". The bible says as I have mentioned before that when GOD created man (people) he breathed the breath of life into Adam and Adam became a living "soul". It didn't say anything there about having a soul. You keep talking about having a soul. Scripture says, "The soul that sins, it shall die". It means the person that sins shall die a spiritual death. Understand so far?
        We must therefore have a "spirit" within us b/c when we die it's the "spirit" that returns to GOD, and not a soul. And on another thought, The Kingdom of GOD is a spiritual Kingdom, not a physical one made up with people as we are with flesh and blood.
        As for children, yes we are GOD's children and he loves us so much that He gave His only Son JESUS CHRIST and that same JESUS died on a cross to make it possible for you and I to be in the Kingdom with Him when that times comes. That is love and grace in a package.
        As for "eternity" what will be do? We will praise GOD and be instrumental in co-reigning as heirs of GOD. We will somehow be assisting GOD and JESUS in ruling in the new heaven and the new earth.
        Evidence of GOD...The creation all around you had to be created. It just didn't happen by chance. Evolution is a myth (hogwash). GOD is like the wind, we don't actually "see" the wind, just as we don't "see" GOD, but we know the wind is there and so is GOD, He is there. GOD can't be seen no, but it never meant he wasn't there all along from the beginning of time.
        His angels record everything. Our names are written in the Book of Life, or GOD's eternal book, They remain there unless they are by some reason blotted out. Therefore once we are saved, we are not always saved, as our names can be blotted out of the Book. If we Obey and Believe then our names remain in the Book.
        I wrote you in a comment about the soul and spirit and the differences there. Hopefully you now understand that. I enjoy our chats if they don't get too complicated and involved and non-productive. As you can see here I am trying my best to answer your questions from a sensible standpoint and not from what Joseph Smith said or Ellen G. White said, or John Wesley or any of our television preachers, but taking it from the word of GOD in all it's entirety and as best I know. Trying to break it down and make it so simple that a child could understand it.

      • Prophet Maybe, the genetic fallacy is the mistake of concluding that the way a person comes to assert a truth claim (where he is born, or his family upbringing, or a light that blinds him :-)) is related to the veracity of that claim. It is quite simply false to say that Christianity is not true because I was born in a Christian nation. (Not to mention that it has hardly been Christian the past 6 years, or 41.)

        Furthermore, the fact that former Muslims, former Hindus, former Buddhists, former atheists, etc are being martyred in countries where Christianity is NOT the dominant worldview is a rebuttal to the genetic fallacy. Many Muslims are coming to Jesus through dreams and visions in strict Islamic countries - this is actually quite common.

        You seem to have a big problem with Hell. Well, we all do. The Bible clearly teaches that those who reject God's general revelation (the natural universe - Psalm 19:1) of Who He is will never accept God's special revelation of Him found in the Bible and the Person of Christ Jesus. Yet, the Bible equally teaches that those who SINCERELY pursue truth when they recognize God in general revelation will find Him in the Person of Christ Jesus. So, you may rest assure that no one who is sincerely searching for the truth of God ends up in Hell. But the key word here is "sincerely."

        The human soul begins to exist when the human being (body and soul) begins to exist, and that is Biblically and biologically at conception.

        I want to encourage you to capitalize God, and leave "god" for the pagans. Sometimes we all forget this, but when you have been pulled inches from the flames of Hell, as I was, then you really learn to respect your Savior. :-)

        The person who is the anti-Christ is unknown - a matter of pure speculation. His identity is NOT a matter of the essentials of the faith. You do not have to know who he is to place your faith in the Lord Jesus. Obama may or may not be the anti-Christ. He is most assuredly and demonstrably anti-Christian, however. My assertion stands that the doctrinal knowledge required to come to the Lord Jesus and be saved in rather minimal. If not, then there would be no mentally challenged individuals in heaven.

        Finally, you mentioned your background in science and math. Below is a short version of my testimony, which you might find interesting. May God bless you!

        "Let me set the stage for where I was immediately prior to turning my life over to God.
        In terms of worldly accomplishments:
        a. 4 degrees in engineering and mathematics.
        b. 21 years in spacecraft design, including critical survival systems on two spacecraft, which, as of this writing, have been in successful operation for 24 and 16 years respectively.
        c. 7 years as a graduate level adjunct engineering professor teaching PhD and upper level Master’s students.
        c. 9 years running my own engineering business.
        d. a little over a million dollars in financial assets to my name.
        e. a very successful wife and 3 highly successful children.
        In terms of spiritual accomplishments:
        a. I could not objectively ground my own existence or the existence of anything. I was NOT happy with the lack of intellectual depth in my two stock replies to the question “why is there something rather than nothing?” “There just is” and “because Carl Sagan said so” just did not cut it anymore for me and my high brow intellectualism. So, I had an intuitive, but not formal, understanding of the Kalam Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God. Here was some evidence that naturalism couldn’t cut it.
        b. I could not objectively ground truth. I was a truth relativist, and this made me VERY uncomfortable, but I could not figure out why. Was there no unshakeable grounding for truth? Wasn’t it true that there were no objective truths?!? :-) (This statement is obviously self-refuting.)
        c. I could not objectively ground morality. I “felt” that the volunteering and charitable works I was doing were “good,” but under naturalism, I also knew that there was no objective basis for this feeling or for doing such things. I did not formally state the Moral Argument for the Existence of God, but, again, I had an intuitive understanding of it. More evidence that naturalism fell short in terms of livability.
        d. I could not answer the problem of evil. When a little girl was violently raped and then tortured and murdered, I asked myself “why?” The answers “natural selection,” “survival of the fittest,” “random chance,” etc began to creep me out to an extreme. Once again, I did not formally state the Argument for the Existence for God from Evil, but, I had some intuitive understanding of it. Big problem for naturalism – and theism too.
        e. I hated Christians, but loved all practitioners of other religions. The only things I hated worse than Christians were Christian churches and Bibles!
        In a nutshell, I was highly successful in a worldly sense, but miserable in a spiritual sense. All of those degrees and accomplishments, but I could not answer the most basic question all humans ask themselves with any level of intellectualism! So, I did what any reasonable engineer would do: I went with an empirical test. I spoke to this God Guy and acknowledged that I was an educated idiot and could not answer the most basic questions, and I asked Him to take over my life, fix it spiritually, and answer these questions for me. If He existed, I would devote my life as close to 100% to Him as I possibly could, but I needed “more than a feeling” – I needed data and some feedback and some evidence for His existence! (Needless to say, I conducted this test in my house – not a church. See point (e) above.)
        I received a number of (possibly subjective, probably objective) experiences following this, but one of the more compelling was when I woke up 7 months later, turned to my wife and said “I cannot remember the last time I cussed.” She said “I can’t either!” To give you an appreciation for how significant this was, I used to make a sailor blush. I cussed early and I cussed often (like they vote in Chicago :-)) and I cussed filthily, and I did it mostly in front of my wife and children. I “knew” this was “wrong” (but of course could not ground it objectively), and had tried to stop it for decades – totally unsuccessfully. I had totally given up on changing this part of me, and let’s face it: under naturalism, there is no objective reason to stop cussing. I mean, it was just my molecules talking, right?
        At this point, my knowledge of Christianity was primitive at the best and woeful at the worst. So, I purchased a book called “The Science of God” by Gerald L. Schroeder. It was VERY important to me, given my background, that this God that I now believed in, and Who had provided me with some possibly objective experiential data, was a scientific God. One of the things this book opened my eyes to was the day-age concept that reconciles the 6 days of Genesis with the old age view of our universe. I just did a simple exponential distribution of the day-age durations (any technical undergrad can do this), and they lined up nicely with what mainstream secular science was saying about the periods of development of our universe (evolved or not). This was the first chink, of many to come, in my anti-Bible armor. I could no longer say that the creation account in Genesis MUST be incompatible with an old universe and apparent development durations of same. A scale had fallen from my eyes with respect to my persecution of the Bible. (I am now a young earth creationist however.)
        Later, I discovered that it is only in the past 100 years, or less, that humans really came to assert that the Bible and science were mutually exclusive. I came to know that many great scientists were, at the least, theists, and many who were quite comfortable with the God of the Bible. I also knew intuitively that, no matter the size of my own ego, I could never hold a candle to the likes of Newton, Leibnitz, Faraday, Maxwell, Kepler, etc – nor could any modern-day scientist, IMO. I took no loss in pride by associating myself with them – spiritually. :-)
        When I began to read the Bible for myself, I found that it described my own life to a T – both before and after my “empirical test.” I also found out that many wise and learned scientific and philosophical scholars considered it to be the Word of God. And, it was only later that I found out how many scientific and philosophical holes macro-evolution has in it. The reliability of the New Testament came even later for me. I just knew this Book “worked,” because it answered all of my basic spiritual questions (a-d, above) in a way that no other worldview, and certainly not naturalism, could. It was more plausible – by orders of magnitude. And, I had confirmed that it certainly is not incompatible with our current scientific understanding. (In fact, Big Bang Cosmology combined with the Kalam argument dovetail rather nicely into Genesis 1:1, don’t they?)
        Since then, I have retired and spent my time fulfilling my part of the obligation from the “empirical test” for the God Who is there and Who is not silent. (With apologies to Francis Schaeffer. :-))"

      • Thank you WorldGoneCrazy.In case you missed my post, I know that Jesus is

        the son of god, and the messiah, and that the messiah will come again to

        rule the world.
        I am very impressed with your worldly qualifications and career. I am also

        impressed with your conversion to christianity. It appears that you MAY

        think you were brought to faith by logic, I believe that the holy spirit

        assisted you to comprehend what you learned from your God Guy, who I would

        describe as your personal spiritual adviser sent by god. I also believe

        the holy spirit helped your comprehension of the books you read. This

        under the "seek and you will find" and "ask and it will be given to you"

        principals from the scriptures which I have learned about, and the

        principle you mention that "the bible equally teaches that those who

        SINCERELY pursue truth" will find it.
        My story is very different. I lived my life from about 12 years old till

        my calling event, which did not happen till after I recieved my penion,

        believing that there was no evidence for or against god, and that one day

        science my develop to the point where the questions of where the universe

        came from had no scientific meaning. During these years, up till the

        morning of my calling event, I believed that the important question

        relating to god was not whether or not he existed, but rather, if he

        existed was he worth a pinch of camel dung. I looked at the suffering and

        disease in the world and was not prepared to assume that if god existed he

        was necessarily good.
        Then my calling event happened and I knew that god existed, of course in

        the overwhelming event I accepted my mission without a thought of asking

        for an explanation of why all the bad things happened. However, after some

        months I made it clear that I was not prepared to blindly preach about a

        good god unless I knew he was in fact good. I recieved enough Revelation

        to explain the suffering in the world to my satisfaction and was prepared

        to preach to the world that god is in fact good. It is amazing, and

        completely logical.
        Don't worry about how old I am, around twenty years ago my knees were so

        bad, painful, that I occassionally needed to use a walking stick. My blood

        pressure was measured up to 180 over 110, I couldn't remember to take my

        blood pressure medication until I had a bleed in my macula, then I took my

        bp medicaition religiously. These days my knees cause me no pain. Actually

        I hardly ever have any aches and pains in my body even though many years

        ago I had them regulary. A few years ago I felt dizzy a lot and went to

        the doctor. I had bp about 85 over 50 or 60, so the doc took me off bp

        medication. After a week my bp was still so low the doc put me on salt

        tablets. Then the bp was acceptable. After a few months I gave up the salt

        tablets and was ok for years. All this happened without any change in diet

        or weight. About 6 to 12 months ago I started feeling dizzy every day for

        about 10 days, then I got sick of it and told my voices to stop hasseling

        me, that I was not going to the doctor again no matter what they did. I

        didn't have a single dizzy spell after that statement. I have to explain

        this, I am being hasselled quite a lot by the angles, or demons, who are

        talking to me. I have not ruled out the possibility that I may in fact be

        being called to the antichrist mission by satan, my voices sometimes tell

        me that, about 1 time in 20. But don't worry, I have made it clear that I

        will not under any circumstances fight against the messiah if he comes in

        my lifetime.
        For your amusement, when I was first called, after my bleed in the macula,

        I was healed of three obvious medical conditions. I went off my bp

        medication, but I am a cautious person, I measured my bp every day. The

        voices started after about 6 months, after a while they said I should know

        I was insane because only insane people hear voices and I had no physical

        proof that they were real. I pointed out the healing was physical proof,

        they denied it. My blood pressure went back up, my other conditions came

        back, and I felt really stupid for having argued that the healing was

        physical proof. I went back on the bp medication and stayed on it till I

        started getting the first lot of dizzy spells as mentioned above.
        BTW I also went to a phyciatrist and got anti physcotic medication. I

        tried 3 or 4 different voices in the head insantity meds over several

        years, non of which had the slightest effect on my voices. I only gave

        them up because it was too much trouble to renew them. Oh, these meds were

        to keep my family happy, and I was not the slightest bit worried about

        them effecting the voices because I knew the voices were real. My

        spiritual advisor had spent weeks at my house telling me he felt the

        spirit often during our conversations, as did I. And he would find

        passages in scripture dealing with some of my Revelation I told him.
        Back to don't worry about how old I am. I usually feel like I am in my

        20s. The lord will keep me alive until my mission is completed.
        BTW, I do NOT get Revelation via the voices, in spoken words. My

        Revelation comes in concept form and I must interpret it and translate it

        into words.
        Thank you for your comments on the soul. Your comments agree, as far as

        they go, with WandaKate's. That is, that the soul is created at

        conception. I intend to write a post about the soul. NOT giving my

        Revelation on the topic, but directing your thoughts to various comments

        which, I believe, Jesus made, which have relevance to the issue of spirit

        children of god, or our souls. I think when you consider these comments,

        if you don't write me off as a nutter and you do bother to read and

        consider them, that your current beliefs on the soul MAY change. What I

        mean is that if you consider some of Jesus teachings that do not mention

        the soul or spirits of his children, but have implications about our

        souls, then you MAY find that YOUR interpretions of what the holy

        scriptures say about our souls may change.
        About the issue of captializing God. My voices do not want me to

        capitalize god. I find that it makes my life a lot easier if I don't

        antagganate my voices. I am very sorry for my spelling, you know that god

        can confound peoples thinking, well the angels or demons who hassel me

        like to confound my thinking in various ways. They are having a lot of fun

        messing up my ability to spell. During my working career I wrote documents

        for my organization to present to courts. I was, and usually still am, a

        much better than average speller.
        A final comment on the issue of this forum. You do not have to be a member

        of the Catholic Church to be saved as Pope Francis says. You do not have

        to be a member of any church to be saved. You will be saved if you find

        god in your holy scriptures. That is not the complete story.
        Love, a fellow child of god.

      • Hi, I just read what you posted about the voices in your head. It seems like you are under the bondage of "demons". Satan doesn't have any angels, he only supervises "demons" and they are your voices. Scripture says if you rebuke Satan and his demons they will leave you. They all believe in GOD and they tremble. They are not allowed to stay with a person once they are rebuked in the name of JESUS!!! Satan used to bother me, telling me this and that and one day I lashed out loudly at Satan and I commanded him and his demons to leave me alone forever in the Holy Precious Name Of JESUS and they left me. They have not returned and that was 14 years ago in Florida back in 2000. Satan is real and his demons are real from the spiritual world and they hate GOD and anything or anyone that has anything to say about GOD in his favor or anyone who believes in JESUS. They will try every trick imaginable to cause Christians to fall, to backslide, to fail and become lukewarm. The LORD wants us "all or nothing". JESUS said if we are lukewarm he will spew us out from his mouth, he will not want anything to do with us.
        DO NOT listen to the demons talking to you, You scream at them to be sure they are hearing you and you put on the pressure, you rebuke them right now in JESUS holy precious name and they will leave, they don't want to leave, they have a home within you, but they must leave. Pray to JESUS to help you be effective in that arena and that they will leave like they did with me, and will not return.

        I am praying now that it will work in your favor. The LORD is able. Read this...

        He's able, He's able, I know He's able, I know my LORD is able to carry me through.
        He healed the broken hearted, He set the captives free, He make the lame to walk again, and caused the blind to see...
        Because He's able, He's able, Yes, I know He's able, I know my LORD is able to carry me through.

        Because He's done it for me, He is able to do it for you.

      • WandaKate, I just did a post to your other comment, it was far too long. Thank you for your concern, but it is misplaced. At my calling event Jesus status was VERIFIED, I know he is the son of god, I know he is the messiah. My calling even was not a voice, it was a concept conversation that was so clear that it was as though I heard words, but I did not hear words, I recieved concepts as clear as words. Now for the next six months I did not hear voices, I recieved Revelation in concept form and translated it into my own words. My lifelong friend became a minister/priest over 3 decades ago, he visited me, when I told him my revelation he looked up holy scriptures and found equivalent teachings, sometimes so close that it was paraphrasing my words in a way that if someone read my words, they could have repeated what I said to someone else using the words in the scriptures. Other times the wording varied a great deal but the concepts were clearly the same. After about six months I started to hear voices, they played games with me and gave me problems to solve, basically it appeared that they were testing me.
        Then one day they attacked me massively and I thought I would go insane. Over a dozen voices shouting at me, some threatening me and ordering me to do things, some supporting me and saying "XXX will do what he wants", to the other voices and "XXX only do what you want, ignore everything they (the nasty voices) tell you to do". I thouht that the next time I went to sleep I would wake up insane, because that is what the nasty voices told me, they said they would attack my mind in my sleep when I couldn't resist them. When I woke up I was perfectly OK and I think I even felt well rested, maybe that is overstating how OK I was, maybe not. But soon after I woke up a very friendly voice told me that my mind had been opened to the spirit world for my trials and tribulations and some spirits would tell me the truth, and some spirits would tell me lies, and that I should never believe a word any voice told me. I was also warned that I would be massively distracted most of the time and that I should never put my wallet down outside my house because I would lose it. I was told to always put my wallet back in my pocket instead of putting it down anywhere outside my house. I was also told NEVER to do anything improper or inappropriate no matter what the voices said.

        That sounded reasonable, many prophets were given a hard time I supposed, I thought trials and tribulations, OK that'll be 40 days and 40 nights. Oh how wrong I was, that was over 6 and a half years ago. The voices say it will go on for between 10 years and 1,030 years, and when it finishes I will have a short time to get ready to start my Mission. But I do not believe a word the voices say, I believe what I see, hear and logically deduce, and my interpretation of my Revelation when it fits logically into the Truth of Creation as I have come to comprehend it. Any supposed Revelation that comes into my mind, that is logically inconsistent with my comprehension, so far, of the Truth of Creation, is put on the back burner to be revaluated if I clarify my comprehension of the Truth of Creation latter. Most of the items that spent some time on the backburner latter fitted into my outline of the Truth of Creation. I know the voices also have the power to put concepts in my mind the same way I believe god does, but it appears that they are NOT ALLOWED to imposter Revelation. They CAN put the concept of me suffering horrendous tortures into my mind in concept form, and other nasty things, but so far, apparently NOT Revelation. It seems to be part of the rules.

        I have not been given Faith. I have been given the task of interpreting Revelation and judging it by its logical consistency with each other bit of Revelation. Nothing I have accepted as Revelation contradicts Jesus being the son of god, the messiah or him teaching god's revelation as a True Prophtet does. BTW, the voices have NEVER said Jesus was not the son of god, or the messiah, or that his teachings were not revelation. My voices always say that God Created the Universe. They say that God is good, loving, kind and fair, to good to condem anyof his children to eternal suffering in hellfire, most of the time. But when they are doing SERIOUS attacks, they say God is evil and will make me suffer for ETERNITY, not just in the fire and brimstone, that is too vague to be really taken as a threat as serious as they want me to take they threat, they specify time out of hell to suffer every torture ever devised by man, plus every torture ever devised by a sentient being in the physical universe, plus every torture ever devised by satan himself, plus every torture ever devised by any of satans' demons. They only say this when they are making serious attacks, bringing the trials and tribulations to the boil so to speak, then occassionally during the de-escalation phase of the attacks. But most of the time they are confirming gods goodness and doing other attacks, physical and mental. Most of the time the attacks are at say the small arms level of ground combat, they never fell below that except for a few months after they cresendoed the last long escalating set of attacks which continually escalated over a 4 year period which was followed by 2 more months of small arms level attacks, then a few months of less than that before they got back to a minimum of small arms combat. Consider the big attack to be artillery bombardment, bombing, carpet bombing, then a Nuke.

        From what you said my voices do not act like demons, they claim they are angles sent by god and it is their job to give me trials and tribulations. They will not tell me why, they will not tell me the purpose.

        But my own analysis is that IF they are sent by god, AND god is good not evil, then the purpose could be to open my mind sufficiently to correctly interpret my Revelation. This Revelation is not about the earth, it is not about life within the physical universe, it is about the spiritual Truth of Creation, how Creation really works. I believe I may have had Revelation about the nature of the Eternal Infinite God in terms of why he IS, where IS came from, stuff that almost let me comprehend that stuff in the bible about "I am, I AM" or "I am he who IS" those are not the correct quotes, but they should give you the idea of the comments I am thinking about, the ones where God is speaking to someone and identifying Himself.

        I call the session where I contemplated that issue, the NOT. I was considering what existed before God Created all that is, including space and time. Some of those logic chains went something like this. The NOT is the name of what IS before anything IS, but if NOT IS then the NOT is not, because IS IS, so the NOT cannot be IS. There is quite a few more ISs and NOTs, and it is not really gibberish, it is trying to put into words what is there when nothing is there. It is trying to answer the question of can there be nothing if there is nothing. Can there be not if nothing exists. Can Existence exist, if nothing exists. I think, from a vague memory, that I concluded that Existence exists because it cannot not exist, because if nothing exists then existence must exist, for the nothing to exist. If you think a cube of empty space is an area where nothing exists, then you are in the wrong ballpark. Space must exist, for it be be an area, and for it to be empty. If there is no space for nothing to occupy, Then there is not nothing anywhere and therefore there is no nothing, so something must exist, Existence itself, for Nothing to exist in. So you could say that the Truth of Reality is that Existence must exist, this means IS is the Truth, and NOT is False. Is used the IS and the NOT to be placeholders for concepts that cannot be adequately described by any words I know, is and not were the closest words to the concepts of existence and not existence concepts.

        I MAY have been able to explain it better the day after I thought this throug six or eight years ago, within 2 years either side of my calling event. I also went through this analysis on the issue of intelligence. To cut through the gibberish logic chain, it boils down to the arguement that nothing can exist unless the concept of that thing exists, yes really, I believe this is either a Truth of Reality or a Truth of Existence. Both of which are orders of magnitude above the Truth of Creation. Questions about stuff in the physical unverse are simple, unless you start talking about issues that relate to the spirit world or the higher plains, such as "why am I aware of myself? What is my self awareness?" Then you have to go to spirit universe information to answer such questions. And the only information available on the spirit universe is what god has revealed to us.

        Intelligence must exist for the concept of existence to exist, and we know that exisitence does exist because we exist as evidence, absolute proof of existence. The concept of existence must exist because existence exists. A concept itself is intelligence itself. Nothing can exist unless it has existence. Concepts are intelligence, therefore intelligence must have existence, therefore intelligence must have some sort of "substance", meaning existance, not matter as we know it. Call physical matte Pmatter. Call whatever the existance or substance of a concept intelligence or Imatter. You can consider Imatter to be made out of existence itself.

        I doubt that I have gotten over the line of convincing anyone that this crap is more than gibberish so I will simply skip to God Exists because He Cannot Not Exist, speaking logically.

        The voices are not, in my opinion demons. They confirm Jesus as the messiah and the son of god.

        Soon after the first attack of the voices I had my minister/priest friend perform an expell demons and perform a blessing of the holy spirit, stuff he was trained to do. It had no effect. He got 4 or 6 other minister/priests from his congregation and they and him did the expel demons and the blessing of the holy spirit ceremonies in the church buildings, which were santified ground.

        Years latter, I was sitting at Maccas and an old couple walked in and sat down at the next table. We started talking. Short version, he was a born again christian who had been given the power of healing. He claimed one of his most notable healing was over the phone with a woman 3.000 miles away who had, among other problems, one leg shorted than the other. He prayed, he blessed her then did his healing stuff, she told him after a half hour that she stood up and both her legs were the same length. I have only his word for that, but I let him bless me and cast out demons. The voices went quite, I was stunned and invited him to my house the following Sunday to do his demon casting out stuff throughout my house.

        They told me they had been on their way home from church and felt the spirit urging them to call in at Maccas. That was why they came to the table next to mine.

        24 hours after the voices went silent they started up again, they said they just went silent to let me know this man, and his wife were special. They confirmed he had been given the power to heal by the holy spirit. But remeber, the voices have zero credibility. You only believe something they tell if you can verify it.

        I went to the healers congregation, he was an elder and highly respected and accepted as a man with the gift of healing. Limited of corse, some people were healed, some were not.

        This church had lots of people who claimed to feel the spirit. It was 100% Christian. It used the Bible and only the Bible as Holy Scriptures. I attended this congregation for a few months. The healer turned out to be quite the respected elder. He was not the minister of that church.

        From this experience I learned that the holy spirit touches members of many Christian Churches, it depended on the person, NOT which church he was a member of. The Pope is absolutely wrong that you have to be a member of the Catholic Church to be saved.

        The voices said many people around the world are given the ability to heal by the power of the holy spirit. The ability varies in strength from person to person depending on the situation. Nobody, no healer, is allowed to do healing live on TV that is unequivically verifiable, such as healing an amputee and having his limbs appear miraculously on screen. That sort of thing is against the rules which govern the use of the healing gift. Remember, the voices have zero credibilty, even if they are angles, their job is to hassle me. They worked hard to destroy their credibility, so hard that zero credibitly is not really accurate, these blokes have negative credibitilty. You only believe that they MAY have told the truth after you verify what they said. They are NOT the source of my Revelation.

        Love, a fellow child of god.

      • Prophet Maybe?...Just finished reading another comment you sent to me and I am frustrated now!!!! Please believe me when I tell you this-GOD'S ANGELS DO NOT TORMENT, THEY DO NOT AGGRAVATE OR CAUSE ANYONE MISERY EVER! That is not what Angels do, that's not their job. They are servants to GOD Almighty and they are only good and perfect. They are dutiful to the LORD, they OBEY Him in the Heavenly Realm. They serve Him and cater to His wishes and they are assigned to protect people and watch over GOD's chosen ones, His special creation, His children. You must stop thinking for one second that GOD has evil Angels or Angels that do anything wrong, and the by all means don't mess with people's thoughts or scream at them or cause any mental anguish.
        Reading your comments causes me and possibly others anxiety and we don't have those voices so we would not know what to tell you, advise you or how on earth to help you out with it. Everything that you have said appears to be evil demons. JESUS sent them out of a man once and they all went into pigs and the pigs jumped into the river. The bible says when they leave a person they just go into someone else and I don't delve into any of that mess. It's a spiritual mess that I know nothing about, don't want to know anything about, and don't really want to discuss that issue anymore. If you have reasonable questions about the Christian faith then I will be more than happy to help you based on scripture and my own words but I'm not interested in talking about all these demons b/c that is all that I can sensibly figure out that would be causing you this kind of mental anguish. OKAY?

        Perhaps you need mental counseling. I certainly am not qualify or capable of helping anyone that has years of voices talking to them with good and bad things, so sorry. I do hope this gets corrected and if all you have said is the truth then you do need some kind of help before you go CRAZY!

      • WK,

        I admired your patience toward Prophet Maybe. Like someone said earlier, he is not a true prophet.
        He must accept and obey the truth that is the only thing that can save him and any of us.

        He must know this also, that God love him and His plans for him is good and not evil.

        Love and Peace!

      • Prophet Maybe?...I just finished writing you but forgot something. As far as these voices saying that GOD is good etc. that's doesn't mean a thing. SATAN KNOWS GOD, HE'S BEEN WITH HIM IN HEAVEN, THE DEMONS KNOW GOD, and scriptures says, THEY BELIEVE IN GOD AND THEY TREMBLE. Just because these voices tell you good things and say that GOD is wonderful etc. what does that mean? It means absolutely NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING.! Did you do what I suggested for you to do? I had asked you to pray to GOD to help you, and to scream at Satan and the demons, (even though you don't believe it's demons, you're not sure), so you set things straight with them and rebuke them in JESUS name. Until you do that and let me honestly know that you did that then I don't know what else there is to write to you...

      • I just reread the 3 replies, and being less dissappointed this time I realised that you all appeared to have the impression that I don't believe in Jesus. This is completely and uterly incorrect.

        I know that Jesus was the son of god. I know that Jesus was the messiah. I know the messiah will come again and rule the Earth. And when I start my mission I will teach this to all mankind. But I also know that Jesus was also a man, and as a man he was a prophet who taught some things that god knew it was time for mankind to hear. But I know for a fact that Jesus was the son of god and as such he was and is and always will be devine in nature.

        You know Jesus not only refused to take part in stoning that woman, he also stopped the crowd, angry mob, from stoning her by saying, "let he who is without sin throw the first stone". My interpretation of the scriptures is that this was the way Jesus put an end to the teachings of the old prophets to stone lots of people to death. I believe that Jesus overruled that stoning people to death for anything principle which was taught by many prophets. Do you consider I am wrong in this interpretation?

        Now I have given much thought to what will happen when that woman comes before Jesus on Judgement Day. Without that episode, recounted in the scriptures, I am sure most preachers would have presumed that Jesus would have condemned that woman to hell for adultery. But if he does condemn her to hell, I can't help thinking that putting that episode in the new testament would be viewed by many as false advertising. I don't believe Jesus would come within a mile of false advertising. What do you think?

        My problem is that IF I am an End of Times Prophet, then my mission is to ALL mankind. I have to have answers for the difficult questions people of all faiths will ask.

        WorldGoneCrazy, on how hard the comprehension test is on interpreting scriptures, consider the arguements going on about the antichrist. Some preachers are using scriptural references to prove Obama is the antichrist. Some are using scriptural references to say that all Popes have been antichrist and that Francis is the final antichrist. They are wrong because Francis will be long dead before Christ returns. Pope Francis interprets the bible to say anyone who is not catholic will be going to hell. David Hawley, from whose post our string has decended says "what the Pope says is kinda true, but wrong that it is the Roman Catholic Church". Hey that is the topic of this forum, I forgot, too distracted by my own problems.

        Now Jesus flushed all that stoning to death down the toilet. Do you agree?

        If stoning people to death willy nilly was not a Truth of Creation, but rather a teaching for the times of the old prophets, can you be certain that Christ will not flush some other teachings from holy scriptures down the toilet when he comes again? And if Christ is going to flush some more of the teachings from the bible down the toilet do you think he would want, or even allow, nd End of Times Prophet in the second millenium to teach those teachings that he is going to flush. IF I am an End of Times Prophet I have to get ALL my teachings correct.

        Please help me. If you are sure I am simply a nutter then tell me so and I will go looking for someone else to teach me current christian beliefs. Many many preachers are saying we are in the End Times, is it really impossible that an End of Times Prophet is currently being prepared by god to start his mission? Are you certain that god gives his prophets their revelation word for word for them to write down so that people argue about the exact interpretation of what their scriptures mean? Remember the new testament was written decades after Jesus died. And at least some of its authors never heard Jesus teach. It would not have been the slightest problem for Jesus himself to write his teachings and get every word correct if god worked that way.

        Please help me, if not because you think there is the slightest chance that I have actually been called as an End of Times Prophet, then simply as experienced believers with decades of experience of interpreting scriptures and experts on current christian beliefs.

        Love, a fellow child of god.

      • @ Prophet Maybe? - On 1 August 2014 at 8:10 pm - You wrote '... is it really impossible that an End of Times Prophet is currently being prepared by god to start his mission?'
        According to "the word" of "the living God", "the only wise God" - YES - it is impossible:
        18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
        IF ANY MAN SHALL ADD UNTO these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
        19 AND IF ANY MAN SHALL TAKE AWAY FROM the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
        (Rev 22:18-19 - KJV) - CAPITALization and emphasis mine - Bro. Nick
        - - -
        You also wrote "About the issue of capitalizing God. My voices do not want me to capitalize god."
        In "the word", "the truth" there are 57 occurrences of "god" | OT = 53 / NT = 4
        In "the word", "the truth" there are 242 occurrences of "gods" | OT = 233 / NT = 9
        Just ONE EXAMPLE IS:
        "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
        lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
        (2 Cor 4:4 - KJV)
        - - - -
        Your spirit guides and the voices in your head are SATANIC.
        You must be Biblically saved - or - according to "the word of the LORD GOD" you are going to eternally go to hell:
        10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
        11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
        12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
        (2 Thess 2:10-12 - KJV)

      • BRO.NICK: Yes, in all of the manuscripts I have written I have written like this... satan is the god of this world. And also...If we believe on the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST we shall be saved, and our works will follow our salvation. Any name referring to GOD, JESUS etc. is in all caps to show "respect" for His name. Satan deserves no respect and his name does not need to be in any caps. This is my own option, my own opinion, but I think it shows a measure of respect to the creator of the universe. WK

      • @ wandakate - The reason that I capitalize "Satan" is because "the word of the LORD", "the truth", "the law" always does [55 times in the KJV] - and that is the only reason that I personally need!
        I applaud and appreciate your using all capital letters to show reverence and respect for "the LORD GOD".

  3. Where was the Pope 50 yrs ago when Jesus came to get Me, From Running away from Jesus to Being Changed Over Night to wanting Christian friends, desire to Read the Bible, Guilt Erased, not afraid of a Knock on the Door, or Sirens there coming to get me... Instead of wanting to Use people, start caring and wanting the Best for them. The Church the Individual Believer, to worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth John 4:24
    Wants to In Corporate Religions Corruptions of the Truth Romans 1:21 - 23 Stack the Pile of Lie Higher and Higher Incredible

  4. What Pope Francis said in his decree is only affirming official Roman Catholic doctrine that is hundreds of years old -

    EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (No Salvation Outside the Church)

    The Latin phrase “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” means: “Outside the Church there is no salvation”. Catholics interprets this to mean that “all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body.”

    This expression comes from the writings of Saint Cyprian of Carthage, a bishop of the 3rd century, and is found his Letter LXXII, Ad Jubajanum de haereticis baptizandis, and in Latin reads: “Salus extra ecclesiam non est”. The axiom is often used as short-hand for the doctrine, upheld by the the Roman Catholic Church, that the Church is absolutely necessary for salvation (“one true faith”). The theological basis for this doctrine is founded on the beliefs that (1) Jesus Christ personally established the one Church; and (2) the Church serves as the means by which the graces won by Christ are communicated to believers.

    Some of the most pertinent Roman Catholic expressions of this doctrine are: the profession of faith of Pope Innocent III (1208), the profession of faith of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), the bull Unam sanctam of Pope Boniface VIII (1302), and the profession of faith of the Council of Florence (1442). The axiom “No salvation outside the Church” has been frequently repeated over the centuries in different terms by the ordinary magisterium.

    For anyone that is interested, see what the official Roman Catholic positions are about some of their essential beliefs –

    The Bible Proves the Teachings of the Catholic Church

    •The Bible teaches that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist
    •The Biblical basis for praying to Mary and for Catholic teachings on Mary
    •The Bible teaches that Jesus made St. Peter the first Pope
    •Justification by faith alone and eternal security refuted by the Bible
    •The Bible teaches confession to a Priest
    •The Bible on praying to and venerating Saints
    •The Bible teaches baptismal regeneration and that baptism is necessary for salvation
    •The proof for infant baptism
    •Baptism doesn’t have to be immersion
    •The Bible teaches Purgatory
    •The Bible does not teach Sola Scriptura (scripture alone)

    We all need to remember the absoluteness of “the truth” according with what “the word of the LORD” rightly divided (2 Tim 2:15) says:

    “That I might make thee know the certainty of THE WORDS OF TRUTH; that thou mightest answer THE WORDS OF TRUTH to them that send unto thee?”
    (Prov 22:21 – KJV) – – Capitalization mine – Bro. Nick

    “The LORD JEHOVAH” uses the word “truth” 235 times, and “the truth” 87 times in “the word of the LORD”, “the law”, The Holy Bible (KJV).

    ‘Sometimes “the truth” makes Love hurt’

    “The Truth” is “the Truth” – even if nobody chooses to believe it!

    “The truth” is hate speech only to those who hate “the truth”.

    Truly converted, “born again”, blood bought followers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – CHRISTians do not hate the followers of the mortal man Pope Francis.

    Let us all pray that many-many-many Catholics will come to true and Saving faith which is found only in “the Lord Jesus Christ” – which is only by Grace thru Faith! (Eph 2:8-10)

    • Bro Nick, all that you write is fine and obviously you know your bible and of the church. I think what a lot of folks object to be this Pope seemingly acts and speaks in ways that are not consistent with the scripture or the church. First we here this Pope is for gay marriage then we hear he is not for gay marriage, then we hear he opened the doors of the Catholic church to Muslim Prayer and if you know your bible you should realize Mohammed is a false prophet of the Muslim Cult (I say cult not because of the murder and killing of Christians so hated by Islamist, but because the Koran is needed to interpret there religion) and now the Pope implies its my way or the highway.. There is no room in the Christian church for false teaching, and the Catholic Church over the centuries has been notorious for imposing its man made rules and regulations over the teaching of the scriptures. Much of this came to a stop with Martin Luther and I know there are those who call him a radical but I believe the protestant reformation moved the people in the right direction, to desire the church more and these are the folks who confidently speak out against those rules and regulations of the Catholic Church. There's is an emphasis more on spiritual regeneration and truth set to living the word of God more than just following the church. I think many born again believers feel the Catholic Church held back the opportunity for people to find real freedom and new life in the gospel. Yes it is true there is only one church whom Christ is the head and Christ built his church as Peter was to be that rock, but Christ if the church he spoke about and not Peter. The problem is the church was never meant to become a final authority but the Pope seems to be adopting that position. Even though the Catholic Church has made progress in evangelism, I think that's what people object to mostly, the false teaching is still present in the Catholic Church. We can't all be scholars like you and your knowledge and caring for the church is appreciated but I think this Pope is wrong for the Catholic church, so that's my opinion.

      • Joe - It is not a matter of 'what I like' or 'what you like'.
        - - -
        "The word of the LORD" is the absolute - and that is where I have chosen to stand, only by His Wondrous Grace.
        The Roman Catholic Church has twisted what "the Lord God Almighty" inspired to be written in
        "the word", the Holy Bible - and plainly state that Salvation is only by their false doctrines:
        1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
        2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
        3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
        4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
        5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
        6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
        7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
        8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
        (2 Tim 3:1-8 - KJV)
        “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS” personally said:
        “He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.”
        (Matt 12:30 – KJV)
        1 Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.
        2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?
        3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
        (Ps 115:1-3 - KJV)

    • Nick,

      Thanks! I always wonder why Catholics does pray to the virgin Mary? Certainly the mother of our Lord Jesus was a blessed woman and full of grace, and nothing none of us can say or do to change that. So we better love and respect that, but to be praying to her in light of the teaching of Jesus her beloved Son and Savior of mankind/world in another thing.

      And it came to pass that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
      And he said unto them, When ye pray, pray, say, Our Father, who art in heaven. Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven so in earth. Luke.11:1-2.(KJV)

      Why is the virgin Mary mother of our Lord Jesus in the above words of Jesus?

      And whatever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
      If ye shall ask anything in my name, I will do it.
      John.14:13-14 .(KJV).

      Likewise, the Spirit also helpeth our [infirmity]; for we know not what we should pray for as we ought; but the Spirit [himself] maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Romans 8:26.(KJV).

      And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free John 8:32. (KJV).

      And we know God word is the truth.

      Love and peace!

      • Correction. Where is the name of the virgin Mary mother of our Lord Jesus, in the above words of Jesus?

    • Sir, I can tell that you have NEVER read the book of Hebrews. Or have you not read in Hebrews 5:9 that.."And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all those who obey Him". And what more that: in Hebrews 9:11
      11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come,[a] with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.".
      All men are corrupt to not just to the bone, but to the genes. All have fallen short of God's Grace. Yet Jesus being without sin, qualified to offer up his own blood ONCE and FOR ALL time.
      Please take this rebuke in love. Read the book of Hebrews and you have an ear then hear what the Spirit has to say to you. Don't continue to be stubborn and perish for lack of knowlege and being hard of hearing.

      In His love

      • @ Pete - 24 July 2014 at 11:41 am

        Will you please specify to whom your reply is directed?
        Thank you - Bro. Nick

      • Pete,

        Thanks for sharing these Scriptures. You made a error when you said this" All have fallen short of God's Grace". I believed you meant to say "all have fallen short of the glory of God.

        For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,
        Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, Romans 3:23-24.

        That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
        For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God-
        Not of works, lest any man should boast.
        For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians.2:7-10. KJV.

        Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord;
        Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God, lest any rot of bitterness springing up trouble you, and by it many be defiled. Hebrews 12:14-15. KJV.

        Love and Peace.

      • He became the author of salvation to all those who obey Him. I just read what you wrote. How about that, it makes sense if you understand it correctly. He (JESUS) became the author of salvation (to people) to all those who (do what?) OBEY Him. So, that scripture says that JESUS grants salvation to all souls(people) that OBEY Him. That would mean that if a person who claims to be a Christian did not obey Him then that person could lose that salvation that JESUS granted to them in the beginning.

        I forgot to write something with that last comment...Scripture say that our names can be "blotted out" of the Book of Life. GOD"s eternal book has the name of all people that have been saved, but their name can be blotted out of His book should he see fit to blot it out. We are capable of losing our salvation. People argue it, but it's pretty cut and dry. He is an all or nothing GOD.
        We will be saved by grace but we will be judged by our works, our obedience and our perseverance to the end.

  5. Jesus did not leave us with a Bible... He left us a Church led by Peter and the Apostles and that Church compiled the Bible several hundred years later. The Bible is a gift from God through His Church and Jesus Christ has always been the head of the Church.

      • In fact: there was no one person headed to run the church. Jesus is the head of every church group. He is the mediator. He is our King. Only one person has qualified to lead this bride and He is soon to wed her.
        So don't be misguided to think that one carnal man was ever appointed to lead this body of believers.
        "22 Then the apostles and elders together with the whole church in Jerusalem chose delegates, and they sent them to Antioch of Syria with Paul and Barnabas to report on this decision. The men chosen were two of the church leaders[f]—Judas (also called Barsabbas) and Silas. 23 This is the letter they took with them:.." By the way, the following site is run by Catholics. I just don't get it. Why don't they read the scriptures more and quit listening others read it for them. Are we not rather to obey God rather than men?
        Read more at https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+15&version=NLT#3HIZfcQYfcE6KPoW.99....

    • You're right, Ms. Rita. The Catholic Church totally defies the Bible because the have a separate teachings of their own, but one unsubstantiated by the holy men of God. That church was the continuation of the pagan Roman Empire.

  6. There is no "Church" in the original or even any of the early transcripts of the bible, Old or New. That term was invented much like the Sunday Sabbath, and St. Valentine's Day, and Santa Claus. Beware of Francis. He's not the real Francis.

    • Angela: As for the change and a Sunday Sabbath there is no Sabbath on Sunday. The original Sabbath was always on Saturday and it never changed. I would like to see where it change according to scripture. Constantine changed it when he was the Emperor. The Catholic Church is just an extension of paganism.

      People in mainstream churches call Sunday the LORD's Day, but it's not. They also celebrate Good Friday and Easter Sunday and that was the original Passover. JESUS died the week of Passover. Then there is Halloween which is Satan's holiday. Can't leave out Christmas, and all of these were pagan holidays. Easter and Christmas have absolutely nothing to do with JESUS. JESUS died on Wednesday before the High Holy Day Sabbath (an annual Sabbath) which was recorded in the book of John, and rose before sunrise on Sunday morning. There were 2 Sabbath days the week Christ died and he couldn't have died on Friday because He had said the He would remain in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. That isn't 72 hours. He died at approximately 3 p.m. on Wednesday and from then til Saturday at 3 p.m. would have been 3 days and 3 nights, and by the time they got to the tomb early (before dawn) on Sunday morning He had already left the tomb.

      As for Christmas, he wasn't born in the winter on December 25th because it was too cold there for the shepherds to be out in the fields keeping watch over their flock at night. They put the animals inside from late October until about the middle of March before they let them wander in the fields. Scripture says that Mary conceived in the 6th month. June is the 6th month and 9 months later would be March. So he was born in March and not December. Constantine also decided that Dec. 25th would be the birthday but it was from the pagan customs.

      When we finally learn, study and know the truth, the truth will set us free.

      • are you serious? are you for real? No why do people not read Paul's letter to Timothy. Have you ever read what the Bible qualifies as "doctrines of demons". Please. Do some homework. Read Paul's letters to Timothy. And do pray for understandiiing. please. Jeepers.

  7. I do agree with His Holiness the Pope that we are not Christians on an individual basis but because we belong to the Church and also to an extent true that we cannot be in communion with God without being so in the Church. But are the “Christians” to be blamed to go away from the Church to build a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. What is the role of the Church? The Pope himself connected the Church or the growth in Christianity when he says he remembers the face of the nun who taught him the Catechism, because she was a holy woman and give thanks to God for this sister. The Pope also says it could be the face of the parish priest, of another priest or a sister or a catechist, who transmitted the contents of the faith to us and helped us to grow as Christians and this is the Church. How many priests and nuns do you find in the Church you helps us to grow as Christians? The Pope says that we are able to live this journey not only because of others, but together with others. I think the change should begin with cleansing the Church, which has already been started by the Pope.

    • Ms. Anil Xavier, by calling him " his holiness," what makes you think that man is holy? only God can judge whether those who had lived as humans are holy or not and that would come after the day of judgment. Not only is it arrogance, but sheer blasphemy, he's human, he's still living on earth, and he's a leader of a church that actually desecrated the Word of God by preserving the ancient traditions and deities of pagan Babylon, and equally pagan Roman Empire. We, Born Again Christians and other Bible-believing Christians know the origin of the Catholic Church. We know about Semiramis, Isis, Nimrod, Baal, Satunalia, the feast of purification of Isis which eventually became Christmas celebration. All of these pagan rituals and deities were incorporated into Christianity by the first pope, Roman Emperor Constantine upon the empire's conversion to Christianity. If what you said is true regarding the pope's cleansing of that church, he should begin by dumping their followers empty worship and prayers to your so-called Blessed Virgin Mary, because Jesus never said and taught such a thing. He should initiate the exclusion of idols and icons, images, sculptures, etc., because that is forbidden by God (EXODUS 20:4).

    • errr...have you not read in Mathew 23:9 what Jesus commanded us to do: "And don't address anyone here on earth as 'Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father". Good griiief, does anyone read the Word these days. Early book makers even put the words in red! Now people graduated from 'Father' to "his holiness". For Peeete's sake!

    • Anil: I have a question...Who made the Pope holy? He is a man is he not? He has flesh and blood and is a soul like any other soul. He has no special blood that I am aware of. He can not forgive the sins of people. He is not GOD on earth. Only JESUS can ask the FATHER to forgive us of our sins.

  8. What Virgin Mary are you talking about, Mr. Pope. Did Jesus nor His disciples, nor God's prophets teach Mary's intercession? That shows how lost you are. And the fact that you allow yourself to be called "holy father" by your deceived followers indicates you're a partaker of the doctrines of the devil, accountable to the Lord come judgment day, for deviating and distorting the Word of God by adhering to a different teaching----purgatory, rosary, virgin Mary concept, indulgence, celibacy, canonization, eucharist, transubstantiation, beatification, veneration, hail Mary prayer----things that are not taught in the Bible, which placed all of you under God's curse ( GALATIANS 1:8-9 ). Prepare to meet Satan in hell come Judgment Day, Mr. Pope.

    • The roman catholic church is so evil and so out to corrupt all that Jesus is and all He stands for. When a woman tried to compliment Jesus by saying "Blessed is the woman who gave you birth" Jesus reply was, "Blessed rather are those who do my Father's will." In Luke 8:21 Jesus said, "My mother and my brethern are those who hear the word of God and do it." Not to mention God forbids the worshipping of idols and also of talking to the dead, which would include the dead saints and Mary as well. But their corruption of scriptures are just the beginning of the evil of this so-called church. The fellowship of believers was intended for believers to come together for teaching,for worship and fellowship. But over and over again, the Bible, God's authority states that it is essential to have a personal relationship with Jesus. In Jesus' own words: "Many will come to me on that day and say Lord, Lord,....and I will say to them' I never knew you.'"

  9. "3. I invite all Christians, everywhere, at this very moment, to a renewed personal encounter with Jesus Christ, or at least an openness to letting him encounter them; I ask all of you to do this unfailingly each day. No one should think that this invitation is not meant for him or her, since “no one is excluded from the joy brought by the Lord”.[1] The Lord does not disappoint those who take this risk; whenever we take a step towards Jesus, we come to realize that he is already there, waiting for us with open arms. Now is the time to say to Jesus: “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. How good it feels to come back to him whenever we are lost! Let me say this once more: God never tires of forgiving us; we are the ones who tire of seeking his mercy. Christ, who told us to forgive one another “seventy times seven” (Mt 18:22) has given us his example: he has forgiven us seventy times seven. Time and time again he bears us on his shoulders. No one can strip us of the dignity bestowed upon us by this boundless and unfailing love. With a tenderness which never disappoints, but is always capable of restoring our joy, he makes it possible for us to lift up our heads and to start anew. Let us not flee from the resurrection of Jesus, let us never give up, come what will. May nothing inspire more than his life, which impels us onwards!"Pope last year...

  10. If you claim to be a soldier in the military without belonging to a unit, you can be discharged or considered an AWOL (Absence without leave) To me to be a christian is make Christ as your head, but you must belong to his body- the church. So I agree with the pope that no Christian is an island by himself. It is in the Church Community that we are nurtured to grow in our faith and in service. In Asia where we are community-oriented, I often emphasize the importance of making our personal connection with Christ to be used to create a community of faith, for Christ came to build a community like the "people of God"- in the old testament and the "new israel" in the New Testament..

    • Mr. Dang-Awan: you are correct that the Church is the Body of Christ and that all true believers everywhere belong to it. So, I, as a believer are in the same Church as you. And, you are right that the local church - a place for believers and even unbelievers to gather - is VERY important. Please forgive us in America the fact that so many of our local churches - Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox - have fallen away into apostasy, and no longer follow the Bible. So, some of us have trouble finding a good local church - they are so watered down.

      In Asia, it is not like that: the churches are filled with faithful believers who understand the Bible - to me, the most faithful are found in the many house churches of Asia! So, we admire you from over here, but we are too soft and un-Biblical in so many cases. In many ways, you have it so much better than we do.

      God bless you, my Brother!

      • How thankful I am to hear of CHRISTians gathering together that understand and believe what is written in "the word of the LORD" -vs- rather than following the teachings of fallen man. I understand that there is also real CHRISTianity in Africa and South America.
        Here in 'Amerika' there is much 'Christendom' - but very little CHRISTianity - thus there is very little if anything to admire about the church in 'Amerika'. My recommendation is to be very very careful about material you receive from here! (2 Peter 2: )
        It is very difficult to find a congregation where the Pastor leads from the Holy Word of GOD - just like "the LORD GOD" said will happen in Amos 8:11-14.

        Dear Brother in Jesus Christ - may "the Lord God Almighty" give you great discernment, wisdom and guidance in these evil end days in which we are living. (Gen 6:5 - Luke 17:26-29 | 1 Thess 5:23-25)

  11. The Catholic Church has been in a state of apostasy since the 4th century, AD. Everything about it - from the fish hats & pagan ceremonial rites, the worship of Mary, the exchange of money for a shorter stay in (a non-existent) purgatory, the demand that parishioners confess their sins to the priest & call him "father". (And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. matthew 23:9)

    Consider the teachings of Mike Gendron, of Worldview Weekkend:

    Those who are deceived may never know it unless they are confronted with the truth. Many go to their grave misled about life's most important issues concerning God and eternity. Since we are eternal beings, we will either spend eternity with our God and Creator in heaven or in the unquenchable fires of hell. Tragically, many people look to unreliable sources for truth in order to prepare for eternity. The only source that will always protect us from the schemes and lies of the master deceiver is divine truth revealed in God's Word. The Scriptures must become our supreme authority in all areas of faith and practice. We must look to Jesus who is the truth (John 14:6), whose Word is truth (John 17:17), and who came to testify to the truth (John 18:37). Why would anyone look anywhere else?

    Catholics put their trust in the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church to accurately teach the Bible. This can be a fatal mistake because anyone who relies solely on the subjective teachings of men leave themselves open to deception. The objective truth of God's Word must be the standard by which all the teachings of men are tested for veracity (Acts 17:11). Since the apostle Paul's teaching was tested by Scripture for its truthfulness, it stands to reason we must use the same standard for any religious leader. Unfortunately Catholics do not test the "infallible" teachings of popes through the lens of Scripture. This has resulted in mass deception and religious bondage within the Roman Catholic Church. Only the truth of God's Word will set captives free. Born again Christians, who have been entrusted with the truth, must be good stewards and proclaim it faithfully to those who are perishing.

  12. If the church is so "holy" then why are so many people coming out of it? The long prayers are not necessary, the confession to another man that can not forgive you of your sins b/c he is just another man in a black robe. Purgatory? Where is that located? My bible speaks of Heaven and Hell but no limbo place that I'm aware of. They were either saved or lost when they died. Mary (their precious Mary), she claimed to have sinned and admitted she needed to be saved, that she was not without fault. She died, she can't answer their prayers. Why are they praying to dead people? The infallibility of the Pope. He claims to be GOD on earth. Who decided that? The Rosary beads, what's the purpose of counting them and all the kissing of the cross? JESUS is alive in Heaven now with GOD the FATHER, he's not dead so why would they kiss the cross? He also died on Passover, not Easter. What about baptizing babies. Baptism according to a Bible is only for the remission of our sins that we have committed. A public confession of an inward relationship with JESUS. They sprinkle babies and adults and tell them they're baptized, are they really? JESUS said, :You must be born again. JESUS example of baptism was to go "down into the water and come back up". It was for the remission of sins. Do babies really need to be sprinkled? The Methodist also sprinkle and there may be others as well. It's NOT JESUS example.

    Tom Horn author of several books says the last Pope will be "the evil Pope". Could Pope Francis be the last Pope? It is said that the very last one of all time will actually be the false prophet...Ohhh, that is scary.

    They seem to change rules like most of us change our underwear. One day it's one rule and the next day it's another rule, oh mercy, that's confusing. And the rituals that are repeated over and over again. The priest reads then the congregation reads, then the priest again and on and on and on. No wonder they don't know much about the Bible. Speaking of the Bible, they have their own. Now why do they have their own Bible? So do the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons (they are listed in the book of cults). Only one real Bible and it's the one that GOD/JESUS directed the prophets to write directed by the guiding of the Holy Spirit. Did I leave anything out? I'm sure I did, but this is enough to keep me far away.

    • AMEN!!!:
      17 Bow down thine ear, and hear the words of the wise, and apply thine heart unto my knowledge.
      18 For it is a pleasant thing if thou keep them within thee; they shall withal be fitted in thy lips.
      19 THAT THY TRUST MAY BE IN THE LORD, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee.
      20 Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge,

      21 THAT I MIGHT MAKE THEE KNOW THE CERTAINTY OF THE WORDS OF TRUTH; that thou mightest answer THE WORDS OF TRUTH to them that send unto thee?
      (Prov 22:17-21 - KJV)
      - CAPITALization & emphasis mine - Bro. Nick

    • Folks,

      I have read many of the opinions on this article of the Pope and have concluded there are many different views and that’s OK, it provides a sort of checks and balance in keeping the right perspective and I think that’s important to everyone. The one constant theme in all these opinions unchanging has been that Jesus Christ is Lord and the true church of Christ belongs to Him. Obviously there are troubles in the Catholic church but there not alone, every Christian church today is under some sort of attack by Satin, there have always been troubles, it’s how we respond as Christians that’s important, the world is watching us. The catholic church today still remains the sole descendent of the first apostolic church of which the apostle Peter was the first leader after Christ death on the cross Matt. 16:18, the same church that was persecuted and Christians were even put to death for their believeth that Jesus Christ is savior and Lord. This same church survived the protestant reformation and no weaker for it, in fact Christianity has grown. I think God is pleased with so many denominations, otherwise why they would be… Through the centuries the church has under gone many things, from rapid growth by thousands and thousands daily, new churches sprouting up everywhere, then the dark ages, the crusades and now what apparently seems to be equivalent of a dysfunctional family. Keep in mind we are all part of the family of God regardless of faith or denomination and to remember Christ example he gave to his church to love one another. Let’s not give the devil a victory by writing hurtful things or taking a hard line, every church has some form of ritual engaged, some good some not so good, but the bottom line is that God is glorified through his church and we are the sheep of his pastures... Each church will stand or fall on its own merits, God will be the judge. Let’s hope and pray the church of today whatever faith or denomination will be united in Christ alone. God is bigger than we can imagine.

      • JOE: You're right to a point. I do believe that "all" churches have faults. The fact that GOD is happy because we have so many denominations is where I don't agree. There was to be one true church, and it was the one that would "obey". They will be according to scripture the ones in the end who kept the commandments of GOD, they persevered to the very end.
        We have so many different gospels, some preach another JESUS, some just talk, some are in it only for the financial gain that they reap. Prosperity gospel, the health and wealth gospel, the name it and claim it gospel and the ever popular feel good gospel, are in today's churches, however, GOD just wants a people that will worship him in spirit and in "TRUTH". Not a watered down, polluted, gospel that's thinner than Kool Aid.

        But, yes in the end GOD will know his people. The people are the church, not the building, or the denomination, but the souls. There will be a sorting of the wheat from the tare, the sheep from the goats or the same as the saved from the unsaved. JESUS said, "You must be born again". We must experience a spiritual re-birth where all the old goes away and the new comes in. We aren't born again when we still live as if we love the world and the things of the world. JESUS said, "If you love the world and the things of the world then the love of the FATHER is not in you".

        There won't be any mistakes as to who is going to spend eternity with the LORD in the Kingdom of GOD, as GOD doesn't make any mistakes.

  13. well looks like the pope is drinking the same kool aid as the rest of our so called leaders. Jesus has been with me since birth, even before I believed and is with me all the time. Church is important for fellowship to be strengthened by other believers but Jesus is with me always.

  14. Pope says that we can't get personal with JESUS. They, however, exalt Mary. Mary is dead and in the grave, she can't answer their prayers or do them any good. She was just a human, special yes to be chosen to be the mother of our SAVIOR, but she is not a saint, and she is dead.

    My Bible (and not the Catholic one) says that JESUS is the way, the truth and the life, and no man will come to the FATHER except by JESUS. We must go through JESUS in order to get to GOD the FATHER. JESUS is our mediator, not Mary.

    We are to pray first to JESUS and he will intercede for us to GOD the FATHER who is on the throne. Plain and simple, not difficult, not complicated. A child could understand. It's like a playground that is surrounded by a fence and the fence has a gate. The child know they must "get through" the gate or go through it before they can reach the play equipment. Such it is with GOD the FATHER, we must first go through JESUS in order to reach the FATHER. So simple...

    They want to reach GOD (so they claim) but they won't to skip JESUS. Sorry, but it does not work that way.

    • WandaKate, as a Protestant, I do agree with what you say here, of course, but there is one fine technical point that I wish to address: the Catholic Bible actually DOES have John 14:6 in it. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+14%3A6&version=NABRE

      The reason that I bring this up is that there ARE many Catholics (not all, probably not most, but many) who place their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT in the Pope, Mary, or the Catholic Church and its traditions. While I certainly agree with you that there are many false doctrines within the Catholic Church, I must also say that it is generally conceded, by Biblical scholars and theologians, that the 3 authentic branches of Orthodox (right faith) Christianity are Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox.

      I must also add that when it comes to orthopraxy (right practice), the Catholic Church's stated doctrine (not necessarily the practice of those who worship there) regarding abortion, divorce, and same-sex marriage is not nearly as wavering as many Protestant denominations. (One reason that I am non-denominational.) When you consider all of the Protestant churches that have fallen away into apostasy on these 3 issues, not to mention all of the false "gospels" of grace without truth, word of faith, prosperity gospel, feel-goodism, etc, we must surely thank God for our faithful brethren in all 3 branches of Christianity that are holding the line in the world's increasing attack on Christianity.

      "In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity." --- Rupertus Meldenius, 17th century German Lutheran theologian. (BTW, I see some people arguing against this saying, because they believe that EVERY piece of doctrine is ESSENTIAL. While I agree that every piece of doctrine is IMPORTANT, I must say that Heaven is surely empty, but for God, if we must have anything close to perfect doctrine to get there. In fact, I would argue that those who believe we need perfect doctrine for salvation purposes are nothing more than modern-day Pharisees, and we know where they ended up!)

      God bless you, WandaKate!

      • World Gone Crazy: Thanks for the blessing. In my opinion there are certainly NO perfect churches. The people make up the church and there are no perfect people. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD.
        Only the LORD knows our hearts. I do believe we are saved by grace but we are judged by our works.
        I also believe that we are not to "argue" about this topic which is not productive in any way. We should according to scripture "reason together". If however we are not able to reason with one another then we should agree to disagree and drop it as it usually causes conflict, and you certainly know that there is already enough conflict in the world and we don't need any more.

        People will always disagree especially about Religion and Politics. Differences of opinions and a freedom of choice make us all different in our own way.

  15. My Bible (The Holy Bible) tells me that the way to GOD is through JESUS, it doesn't say a word about it being through the Holy Roman Catholic Church. You would think if it was that way that my Bible would have said so.

    We need to think for ourselves, we need to study to show ourselves approved. Is it possible that many are brainwashed, or deceived or even programmed to believe certain things...Oh yes, I would guess that it is highly possible. BEWARE!!!

  16. The word of GOD says to "Believe on the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, and thou shall be saved". The way to the FATHER is through the SON. and JESUS said, "I am the way, the truth and the life, and no man can go to the FATHER but by me."
    We don't have to go through the Catholic Church to get to JESUS, or GOD the FATHER, or to be saved, or to know the truth or to be in the coming Kingdom of GOD which will be on this earth. Millions of people do not belong to the Catholic Church and there will be many of those in the Kingdom of GOD. We are saved and receive the Holy Spirit individually, not because of "a church". The Church of Christ believes the same as well as the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons, and according to the Holy Bible they are all wrong!!!

    • @ wandakate - 2 August 2014 at 8:43 pm
      I totally concur with all that you wrote - EXCEPT "We don't have to go through the Catholic Church to get to JESUS, ..."
      WE MUST NOT GO THROUGH ANY OF MAN'S INSTITUTIONS! - be it the RCC, Orthodox Catholic Church, Church of Christ, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, ChrIslam, etc ....

      True CHRISTianity is a personal relationship with THE SAVIOUR, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST:

      6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
      7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
      (John 14:6 - KJV) - Please read the entire Chapter 14 for full understanding - Bro. Nick

      • Hopefully you understood me to write that the way to GOD the FATHER is "ONLY" through JESUS CHRIST the Son, and not through as you said any organization, church or preacher or priest. It looked like you thought otherwise.

      • @ Wandakate
        I understood what you said - my comment was to clarify that - 'WE MUST NOT GO THROUGH ANY OF MAN'S INSTITUTIONS'.
        Oh how careful we must be in our use of words. The LORD our GOD always is!!!

      • @ wandakate - I understood what you wrote- my comment was to clarify that 'WE MUST NOT GO THROUGH ANY OF MAN'S INSTITUTIONS' for true Biblical Salvation.
        All of us need to be so very careful in our use of words in these very perilous 'end-of-the-end' times of great spiritual deception, and the exponentially rapid increase of "false teachers" and "false prophets" in which we are now living.
        Our Wondrous GOD always is absolutely careful and accurate in the words that He uses!
        (Ps 12:8 - KJV)

  17. Nope I don't believe in the pope he lets man worship and kiss his hand like a dope how can he cope our hope is in Jesus Christ of nazareth, whose beyond his scope to cope.

    • The way you have written this about the Pope and him coping or whatever it was that you were trying to say doesn't really make sense the way you have written it.
      Read it over and you will see. What you type must make sense with correct spelling or people will not know what you were talking about.

  18. It is good that the Pope has stated clearly some of the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. Many people have never heard them. The RCs believe in "faith by works" whereas the Bible is clear that faith is all important. Martin Luther was transformed when he saw in the Scriptures "The just shall live by faith" This is why Protestantism came into being i.e protesting the truth

    • MAMIE: The truth is, We are saved by grace, but we are judged by our works. First we're convicted of our sins. We realize that we are sinners and we can not (fact) save ourselves, we need JESUS to do that. We can't go to the Kingdom of GOD unless we're truly saved. Our old ways cease to exist and the new ways take over. The Holy Spirit helps us to see things from a spiritual point of view, then our works will follow. In James I find chapter 1:22...Be ye DOERS of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. Also in Chapter 2:17...Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. We are not going to be okay with just faith. Verse 19...The demons believe in GOD and they tremble. Don't be deceived. We prove our faith and show our faith by our works/deeds.
      James tells us in Chapter 2:24...See then how by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. So, we are justified by our faith and are not justified or just saved by doing nothing. Our works does not mean we are under the law. Our works shows GOD that we are serious about our faith and willing to give and do what is necessary to take care of His work on the earth. Verse 26: For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. We're saved by GOD, not by the church or the Pope or the Angels or Saints or the Virgin Mary. NONE of those can save us.
      The LORD loves a cheerful giver not a greedy soul.

      • Dear Wandakate,

        I couldn't agree with you more. I wanted to give a brief comment so that it would be read. Since returning from serving the Lord oversees I am amazed to discover that a good number of evangelicals, yes evangelicals, think we all believe the same doctrine. Nothing could be further from the truth. I love and respect RCs because of their belief in God and their sincerity, sadly lacking in many of our churches today. However the doctrine we cannot go along with. So it seems to me you and I are approaching this subject from different perspectives and really agree. Our attention needs to be on praying for our nation at this time in its history. I'm sure you agree and are engaged in doing this. We hold a monthly Prayer Meeting in our home "Prayer for the Nation" Hopefully many more will also do this.

      • MAMIE: Hello, I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say RCs. As far as believing the same thing, NO, absolutely we don't and probably never will, even though they are forming the One World Religion to try and unite every soul of every faith.
        As far as prayer for the nation, I do hope that people confess, repent and forsake their sins while they still have time to do so, however I also on the other hand believe that GOD has a plan for planet earth and that he is putting His puzzle together now and that nothing will stop His plan. Prayer is wonderful and powerful, but sin has to be eradicated from planet earth and the only way for that to happen is for GOD to send JESUS CHRIST to the earth again. I do believe and trust GOD and I know that He knows full well what He is doing and everything will follow according to His divine plan.

    • @ Mamie Freitag - on 18 August 2014 at 11:56 am you made the comment 'Our attention needs to be on praying for our nation at this time in its history.'
      I find nowhere in "the word of the LORD" where CHRISTians are told to pray for any nation - salvation is ALWAYS INDIVIDUAL.
      "The word of God" does tell true believers in "the Lord Jesus Christ" that we are to pray as follows:
      1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

      2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

      3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
      4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
      (1 Tim 2:1-4 - KJV)
      If you have Scripture quotes to support prayer for any country, I would sincerely and truly appreciate the information, for I know that I know very very little about "the truth", "the law", "the words of the LORD"! (see 1 Cor 8:2 - KJV)

  19. So In August of 2008, 26-year-old Fatima Al-Mutairia of Buraydah, Saudi Arabia who was murdered by her family members for stating she was a Christian, will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven? I think not. She learned of Jesus and became a Christian on her own because there was no other way for her. Read her writings that have not been destroyed. The beauty of her faith is an inspiration.

    • IF she believed on the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST she was saved. She was murdered because of her beliefs. She changed her mind and decided to believe in JESUS, good choice, therefore she will be with the LORD when the time comes. She will not be lost outside of the church. It isn't only the Catholics that go to be with the LORD. Who said that besides the Pope? It's not in my Bible. My Bible says whosoever will accept with an open heart and believe that CHRIST is who he said that He was and that He was raised from the dead will be saved whether in or out of the Catholic Church. DON"T BE DECEIVED!!!

  20. I am sure the Pope means well but I'm afraid he is quite naive on this subject. If he thinks the millions of people who flock into churches, Catholic included, each Sunday are Christians he needs an education. Far too many receive Communion and leave and live lives like heathens, breaking every commandment on a daily basis.

    Churches turn into elite social clubs, people attend to enhance their jobs of standing in the community. I see people come into Church alone and no one talks to them, they go to the social hall after service and still no one notices the one sitting drinking coffee alone.

    I've worked in churches for many years and I've seen it all. A few close friends sharing Scripture and talking about the love, care and personal relationship with Christ is much more fulfilling.

    There are many good in the clergy and delivers great sermons but their personal lives are very different from what is delivered from the pulpit.

    • The leader of worldwide Roman Catholicism - the pope' has a definite 'agenda' is anything but 'naive'.

      You mentioned those that go to church on Sunday, listening to 'good sermons' by pastors/priests whose lives do not reflect what "the word of God" actually says - welcome to evermore rapidly and increasingly 'Apostate Ecumenical Christendom'

      Biblically, there are only "the few" – "the remnant" – the truly converted CHRISTians that have “an heart to perceive”, “ears to hear”, and “eyes to see” – that are aware of the incredible danger of ‘spiritual deception’ that we are living in – TODAY – RIGHT NOW !!!

    • AMEN ! - and AMEN ! - and AMEN !

      As our greatly Persecuted CHRISTian Brothers and Sisters in many-many countries around the world must do!!!

    • Amen. There are so many Christians suffering in the world right now. I pray they know they don't need a priest to have Christ be present. It is so arrogant to think that the Catholic church holds salvation in their hands.

  21. This is exactly why it is important for all who claim the Name of Jesus Christ, who believe themselves to be Christian or Messianic, to know that the word "Church" is not in any of the original manuscripts. It is a term the early Catholics invented. It is a religious term. And it is the only word that the translators of the King James Version were required to keep in, by that King James, against their wishes. It did not, then, seems a big enough deal in light of the gospel being given to all. But it is wrong. Of course, not one becomes a Christian by themselves. God gives us new (spiritual) birth (from above) and we are members of the second Eve now, the espoused "bride of Christ" aka "bride of Messiah." Whenever we hear some preacher talking about the "unchurched" and the "churched" that preacher has crossed the line between when it's okay to accept use of the term "church" at all. What Scriptures said was "ecclessia" and "synogague," (yes, synagogue, because that is simply a Greek, not Hebrew back then, term for "meeting place") fellowship, congregation, called out ones, etc. Forcing all those types, and meanings into "Church" alone is a lie, a deception and the one upon which this Pope has made a "doctrine of demons." But I've heard the very same doctrine of demons in a Church of the Nazarene International service, by one of their own "Superintendents."

  22. Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
    Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
    Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

  23. So a person sitting in prison, basically has no hope. No wonder there are so many bitter former Catholics who are now atheists. My personal relationship with Christ saved my life. I love our church, and have a wonderful ministry there. But, if that all ends, my life in Christ continues.

    • That is an outstanding apologetic, Gretchen - thank you! I intend to use it. The Catholic might reply that, of course, the priest will visit those in prison and give them Communion, etc, but your argument is quite good as there are many prisons where this is impossible. Your last two sentences say it all: many of those closest to Jesus are now suffering for His Name in horrible prison conditions. Their lives in Christ continue indeed!

      • How thankful that 'Biblical CHRISTians' should be unto "the Lord God Almighty" for his faithfulness unto all who are truly His - we are never alone - AND He never forgets any of us.

        Read the book 'Tortured for Christ' by Pastor Richard Wurmbrand who spent over 10 years in solitary confinement in Communist Romania prison - that "the Lord Jesus Christ" personally ministered to him.
        Read 'Foxe's Book of Martyrs' to know that "the LORD GOD" is ALWAYS faithful to those that are truly "born again" by Grace thru Faith (Eph 2:8-10 [KJV]).

        - - -
        AND only for those "few in number" that are truly believers and followers of "Jesus the Christ" who "is the head of the church" (from Eph 5:23 [KJV]) -

        So that all of "the saints in Christ Jesus", our CHRISTian Brothers and Sisters that are in Tribulation and Persecution in over 110+ countries around the world -
        MAY WE ALL remember and actually obey "the word of the LORD" - often, effectually and fervently:
        "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit,

        Ps - 'Biblical CHRISTians are "the saints in Christ Jesus"!!!

        WE ARE NOT the man-made designated 'saints' of Roman or orthodox Catholicism!

      • Amen, Bro. Nick Nicholas! I could not agree more with your posting. And, "Tortured for Christ" and "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" are two of my all-time favorite books - thank you for the recommendations! It would be most interesting to hear Pastor Wurmbrand's reaction to today's news regarding Cuba. I think it might be even stronger than Marco Rubio's. God bless, Bro. Nick, and keep up the great work!

  24. Seems like the message the Pope is conveying is that independence, or lack of inclusion with other believers in ones life, conflicts with God's plan of having His children be dependent on Him through other believers (church). Often people confuse the place of organized religion i.e. a denomination or building with people (hearts and souls) as the church. While reading the various comments, and the Pope's original message, James 1:27 comes to mind.

  25. I m amazed anyone joins a RCC . the real answer is Read the Bible a KJV , its anti catholic to be sure , they tried many years ago to stamp it out , but its the worlds all time most popular book , need I say more ?

  26. How is the Church (or sometimes Mary) ever a mediator to God? If Jesus is the mediator, how can there be valid co-mediators of any type? Would it not follow that Jesus is not sufficiently a mediator for mankind if such additional mediators are necessary? The definition as Jesus as mediator would then need to be revisited for clarification to better understand the role and definition of the church and/or Mary as mediator in any way.


  27. @prophet maybe?: Since God told you it is not your time yet, why are you speaking and contradicting the teachings of Jesus? The bible warns us against people like you. False prophets.

  28. Our Pope is trying to take us back to times before the Reformayion. I believe he should study Luther's 95 thesis. And, as for me Christ found me outside the Church, not inside. No church plays the role of priest, we are each our own priest with Jesus Christ as the only High Priest able to mediate on our behalf.

  29. For Worldgonecrazy - if you are still watching these posts, you would love the book by Walt Brown called "In the Beginning - Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood." Loved your testimony!!


  31. Jesus is the intercessor not you nor anyone else, fellowship of other Christian's is the definition of church. Just because we don't want to give you what little money we have so you can live like royalty in your palace, or be control by your interpretations.I much rather study scripture with the direction of the Holy Spirit than be deceived by another MAN's interpretation. Mary is to be honored but she is a sister not someone to be worshipped.

  32. If I may be so bold.......I believe what we are seeing is the deception of the "church" (read = Roman Catholic Church) as the pope crusades to regain their power that was lost due to the reformations. Who is kidding who? The pope speaks about the Gospel.....what about the fact that, as stated in the Council of Nicea, the statements in the Gospel relating to the Solas, were declared anathema. How does it follow that the pope seems to promote the Gospel? This is truly a demonstration of a deceitful false prophet who strives to usurp the power and authority of Jesus the Christ. Opposition to God's word can only come from His adversary.....Satan. No wonder the "church" murdered so many who had the audacity to read the Bible.
    The pope and the "church" he speaks of, is clearly anti-bible, and anti-Christ. The average Catholic and Prostestant, as well as the general public, unfortunately, do not know what I am talking about.

  33. You MUST go ONLY to JESUS for salvation, or you are not saved. It is Jesus plus nothing is all you need, but Jesus plus something is nothing. That is what JESUS said in Rev. 3; 20, the bible teaches we must have a PERSONAL relationship with HIM. Not Mary, not the 'pope,' not some organization, etc. It is dangerous NOT to have a personal relationship with Jesus! By the way, once that happens, WE are the church, we don't NEED the church to be saved, we ARE the church. If you read the whole bible, OT & NT, you will see how the church is supposed to function and that the Catholic church is a false organization, your eyes will be opened and you will become a born again Christian. I don't use the term 'Evangelical' now because of the current state of apostasy in 99% of the Evangelical 'church,' (as well as the other denominations obviously). Rule # 1: Don't listen to anything the pope says (especially this one) and it is probably safe to assume the opposite of whatever he says, this is just one case in point!

  34. I wouldn't worry too much about the opinions of the pope. Based on the statements he has made since being elected, at best he is a heretic and it appears he may very well be a pagan. Amen, please pray for him and the Catholic church.

  35. Pope Francis is simply saying to Catholics, they must attend Mass and that 'going it alone' does not cut it. In the Catholic religion, it is a mortal sin not to attend Mass without a valid reason. Same with other, but not all, Christian religions. No controversy here.

  36. My wife and I have made plans to lobby Congress to get the world to make president Obama the world’s PERSONAL LORD AND MESSIAH and that God above has done well for the lives of our Americans by giving us a good Christian president such as Barack Obama. This is good Christian gospel and our immigrants are good Latino Muslim Christians and better than the Americans. The last few years have been dominated by satan due to the sick elderly committing suicide and young hoods trashing up our streets and local neighborhoods and corrupt governments and legal systems. Obama is our good panacea! He is our refuge! Thank you for your service! Donald Trump needs to give up his bank account and give to the needy and volunteer his time for the good Latino Muslim Christian and Holy Obama Gospels instead of being greedy and stingy. You feel me? Good!

  37. I haven't read anywhere in the Bible where you have to have someone intercede for you through Jesus' mother Mary to have communion or even communication with the Trinity. The Holy Spirit lives inside of me. I asked Him to come in and be my Helper. John 14:26

    Personally I love my relationship with Christ and would not ever relinquish it! 🤗
    🙏🏻< ~~~+t+

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