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Persecution of Christians Growing in the United States

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by Thomas Horn

More Christians died for their faith in the twentieth century than at any other time in history, says Christian Solidarity International. Global reports indicate that over 150,000 Christians were martyred last year, chiefly outside of the United States. However, statistics are changing: persecution of Christians is on the increase in the United States. What's happening to bring about this change?

According to some experts a pattern is emerging reminiscent of Jewish persecution in post war Germany. "Isolation of, and discrimination against Christians is growing almost geometrically" says Don McAlvany in The Midnight Herald. "This is the way it started in Germany against the Jews. As they became more isolated and marginalized by the Nazi propaganda machine, as popular hatred and prejudice against the Jews increased among the German people, wholesale persecution followed.  Could this be where the growing anti-Christian consensus in America is taking us?"

Tolerance of anti-Christian attitudes in the United States is escalating. Recently, a woman in Houston, Texas was ordered by local police to stop handing out gospel tracts to children who knocked on her door during Halloween. Officers informed her that such activity is illegal (not true), and that she would be arrested if she continued. In Madison, Wisconsin, the Freedom from Religion Foundation distributes anti-Christian pamphlets to public school children entitled, "We Can Be Good Without God." The entertainment industry and syndicated media increasingly vilify Christians as sewer rats, vultures, and simple-minded social ingrates.  The FBI and the Clinton White House brand fundamentalist Christian groups as hate mongers and potential terrorists. The Council of Religious Leaders of Metropolitan Chicago warns that plans by Southern Baptists to hold a convention in the Windy City next year might foment "hate crimes" against minorities, causing some Christians to fear that speaking openly about their religious beliefs will soon be considered a crime. All this, while Christianity itself is often a target of hate-crime violence. We remember the students at Columbine, and the United Methodist minister who was fatally beaten and burned in a remote part of Chattanooga, Tennessee, to name a few of the recent examples of interpersonal violence aimed at believers.


Manly P. Hall once wrote, "They are the invisible powers behind the thrones of earth, and men are but marionettes, dancing while the invisible ones pull the strings." Satan's string pullers have patiently manipulated unregenerate architects of American society for over five decades, networking both visible and invisible principalities to discredit Christian causes. Indicators reveal the propaganda blame-game against western believers is working.

Even a casual observance of the facts reveals growing isolation of Christians as a people group, especially school age believers. Faculty and peer efforts to convince public school children that America was not founded on Christian ideals, and that our forefathers actually wanted a secular society, permeates public school interaction. History revisionists labor to eliminate any and all contradictory historical evidence from public school curriculum, and mockingly stereotype Christians as unenlightened fringe.

A few years ago, Dr. Paul Vitz, then professor of psychology at New York University, worked with a committee that examined sixty social studies and history textbooks used in public schools across the United States. The committee was amazed to find that almost every reference to the Christian influence of early America was systematically removed. Their conclusion: the writers of the commonly used textbooks exhibited paranoia of the Christian religion and intentionally censored Christianity's positive role in American history.

Intolerant, Christ-hating censors of religious expression target the media and public school curriculum because this is the best place, outside of the churches and families, to indoctrinate children and thus manipulate the future political and cultural landscape. If one succeeds in separating Godly principles from public education and the media, they deny citizens the knowledge of good and keep them from embracing the laws of God. To that extent, they are pawns of evil and subvert and destroy both the message and the messengers of righteousness.


In an article entitled "Our Violent Kids," Time Magazine reported "an upsurge in the most violent types of crimes by teens." Through television, "by the age of 16, the typical child has witnessed an estimated 200,000 acts of violence, including 33,000 murders," the article went on to say.

A major study by Dr. Brandon Centerwell of the University of Washington's Department of Epidemiology concludes that "exposure to television" is related to approximately one-half of the homicides committed in the United States, or approximately 10,000 homicides annually. Exposure to television and other forms of propaganda is also related to a majority of rapes, assaults, and acts of violence according to the study.

Censoring the Christian model and denigrating biblical values has resulted in a generation where every day in the United States:

· 437 children are arrested for drinking or drunk driving
· 211 children are arrested for drug abuse
· 1,629 children are in adult jails
· 30 children are wounded by guns
· 10 children are killed by guns
· 135,000 children bring a gun to school

Social scientists claim this generation's inability to define absolutes, and a growing pattern of anti-Christian behavior, may ultimately result in the collapse of the American superstructure, as situation ethics, AIDS and other forms of sexually transmitted diseases, the redefining of the family unit, and other abandonments of biblical standards of morality come to their dangerous and natural conclusion.


History students compare the French Revolution and the horror of persecution and torture under Robespierre, with the Revolutionary War in America that resulted in unprecedented cultural and monetary success. While citizens in America rejoiced in newfound religious liberty and freedom, more than twenty thousand people died in Paris's guillotines. The years to follow in France brought a reign of terror leading up to totalitarianism and Napoleon.

Why were the American and French Revolutions followed by such contrasting societal conclusions? The difference was that the American Revolution was fought on Christian principles, while the French Revolution was anti-God. The forces behind the French Revolution were out to eliminate Christianity as the enemy of France. A statue of a nude woman was placed on the altar of the church in Notre Dame, and the God of the Bible was proclaimed dead. Soon afterward, the French government collapsed.

Is the Fabian process of gradualism taking modern America down a similar path?   Perhaps. For the past five decades Americans have allowed the liberal Left to defend the use of public funds for pornography, explicit sex education, and anti-Christian curricula. The Hollywood elite have denigrated Christian values and mocked the virtues of purity. The highest courts in the land have ruled with contemptuous decree against God, against prayer, and against the free expression of religion.  Is it any wonder we have become the most profane and violent society in the industrialized


America's Founding Fathers understood that all government is based on either a theistic or anti-theistic foundation. Adepts of history like George Washington understood that countries whose systems of government embrace national anti-theistic views ultimately come to ruin. Strong religious convictions therefore played a role in the development of the United States, which was established on Christian principles and open to all people of good will. In 1892 this was argued before the Supreme Court of the United States. After exhaustive deliberation, the Court said, "Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. [It is] impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian."

Imagine that. A nation whose laws and institutions are based on the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. Why, such a place would surely become the leader in education, invention, and the arts. Such a place would probably become a haven of religious liberty for more types and religions of people than has ever existed anywhere or at any time on earth. Instead of religious persecution and intolerance, such a place would offer hope and opportunity to the huddled masses of the earth.

By Thomas Horn

Thanks to Thomas Horn from Worthy News for this excellent article.

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  1. We all have a right to believe in what we want and follow christ!

    ...to me "to live is CHRIST and to die is GAIN"

    if we die for what we believe in "JESUS" we gain our life...

    • You can believe what you want, but if it is not the truth it will not do you any good. The word of God lets us know what we are to believe. "If ye believe on me as the scripture hath said, out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water." We believe the record left by the prophets and apostles. We believe on Jesus as the scripture has said. That is what we are to believe. The Bible also tells us how to worship: with the fruit of our lips, in spirit and in truth, oh clap your hands all ye people, singing to Him in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, making melody in your hearts unto the Lord. We bow, we kneel, we stand, we prostrate ourselves before Him. My friend you do not have to be in the dark, the Bible tells us how to worship and what to believe.

    • In honesty I don't think your being persecuted as much experiencing what other religions of non christian faith experience daily. I've been on both sides of the fence and I see it from both sides- the reason why Christianity is having so many issues with people excepting the faith today has nothing to do with God but in actuality those who speak on behalf of God. There are a great deal of Christians out there doing good but them you have those who judge on behalf of God who have no business doing so, the beauty of Christianity's God is he judges everyone according to his will not mans -at some point man lost the respect of Gods ability to judge people for him self and took it into there own hands in fear, and began to focus on Gods wrath instead of his love which is abundant more than his wrath-this doesn't mean sin is acceptable however this does mean that love is available to those who are non-christian and may not walk on the same path as those who are christian. The Lord said fear is of the devil its of evil intent,the key in to solving this supposed persecution is showing Gods compassion as walking reflections instead of telling your brother or sister he is not worthy of his love because he is a sinner. All are sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God.This my friend is not the work of Satan, but the work of years of neglect of revealing Gods love he has for everyone- his healing presence is absent and replaced by promises of hell. For in hell angels of God reside to free souls from the snares of the devil-how much more should his love be on earth to heal the wounded heart of man. Jesus loved a Sumerian women, he ate with sinners, and love them like his brethren and threw that love they found God by the grace of God. We are all little children in his eyes we are all the same family regardless of faith-I'm not writing this to cause upheaval or debate but simply to reveal whats behind the curtain of why there is an issue...

      • God is Love, but God is also righteous...
        John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
        John 14:6 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
        Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
        Mark 16:15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to EVERY creature.
        16He that Believeth and is Baptized shall be Saved; but he that believeth not shall be DAMNED.
        ***James 5: 19Brethern, if any of you do ERR from the TRUTH, and one CONVERT him;
        20Let him know, that he which converteth the SINNER from the error of his way shall Save a Soul from DEATH, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

        Luke 6:41-42 41And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
        42Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, Cast Out FIRST the beam out of thine Own Eye, AND THEN shalt THOU see clearly to PULL OUT the mote that is in thy BROTHER's eye.

        1 Corinth 6:2-4 Do you not know that the Saints will JUDGE the World? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church![a]
        I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?" (I Cor. 6:1-5)

        Malachi 3:18: "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
        >>>Do NOT hinder the work of the HOLY SPIRIT.
        Matthew 12:
        30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
        31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
        32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
        “Repent: for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.” – Matthew 4:17

      • @JA and other posts saying God is all love and christians are to be all about love well it isnt just about love. Jesus told us to stand our ground, and to cast out the enemy whether it be satan and his minions or atheists and muslims. there are merchants in his temple and He wants them cast out. the world's saying if Jesus wants them cast out than let Him come down and do it While thinking christians have no say in the matter and no authority to do so. Jesus had a few choice words for those merchants in his temple. Jesus isnt all about love.

      • Christians are strong not weak. It takes strength to tell someone the truth when he/she does not want to hear it. It takes strength to go against the crowd and against what has become the norm. It takes strength to stand when all others are kneeling and bowing to a secular mindset. When the media tells one on a daily basis that the thing God abhors is good and the righteousness of God is backwards, inflammatory, mean, judgmental, and hypocritical. It takes strength to stand in adversity. To love when you are hated. Jesus said the days will come when men will hate you for my sake. That is exactly what is happening. Jesus did have a few choice words for hard-hearted, stiff-necked, stubborn individuals. He said it in love, they took it with offense. Remember, Jesus said what He said out of love, that is why He could say what He said, cast out devils, heal the sick, raise the dead etc. Are we doing the same? Jesus said, "The works I do shall you do also because I go unto my Father." Power is not just when we talk the talk, but when we also walk the walk. Be blessed!!

      • Your point is well said. I agree that there are two sides to this coin.

        Persution of Christians in America is on the rise.

        "Tolerance of anti-Christian attitudes in the United States is escalating. Recently, a woman in Houston, Texas was ordered by local police to stop handing out gospel tracts to children who knocked on her door during Halloween. Officers informed her that such activity is illegal (not true), and that she would be arrested if she continued. In Madison, Wisconsin, the Freedom from Religion Foundation distributes anti-Christian pamphlets to public school children entitled, "We Can Be Good Without God."

        "Censoring the Christian model and denigrating biblical values has resulted in a generation where every day in the United States:

        · 437 children are arrested for drinking or drunk driving
        · 211 children are arrested for drug abuse
        · 1,629 children are in adult jails
        · 30 children are wounded by guns
        · 10 children are killed by guns
        · 135,000 children bring a gun to school"


        I also agree that Christians in America are asleep in the pews. The church (excluding the true church of the living body of Jesus Christ) but the sleeping churches have tolerated the demise of Christian values and blblical principles set down by our Forefathers who created the Constitution of the United States.

        Your right, we do fall short of the example given us through Christ's and his disiples suffering for the Gospel.

        Satan has accomplished his agenda of hypnotizing Christians into following the pigs of Gaderia down the path of destruction.

        But, the Church, Christ's Body of believers will triumph through the blood of Jesus Christ and His final power over Satan and his followers. Those of us who persevere, even under persecution, if need be, will enter into God's Kingdom. The sleepers will continue to sleep until they awaken to the shock of not having Christ's protection any longer.

        "“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.”- Matthew 5:11-12

        "And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."
        Colossians 2:14-16

        "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
        Luke 21:27-29


      • I completely agree with you. We cannot lead like Jesus did. He was not sinnful. We need to stay strong. I have yet to see obvious signs of true persuectuation..

  2. christian persecution in the united states is being blown way out of proportion. people that tout this kind of nonsense in the light of a few bad instances should be ashamed of themselves. go to communist china, pre 1991 russia, the middle east to name a few examples of where your christian brothers and sisters are really being persecuted by real bloodshed against them on a lot larger scale. i think people in those parts of the world probably would'nt feel real sorry for your gospel tract on halloween sob story. yes unbelief is on the rise but the christian believer is still the undisputed champion and holds sole possession on first place among believers and non-believers alike in this country so most christian persecution is coming from christians themselves. the church harbors more persecution inside its own doors than it ever feels outside. it doesn't take long to do a google search and find theologians calling out one another and not just on simple interpretation issues, but issues like you listen to this guy he will send you to hell issues. until the church can get its own stories straight among itself there are other priorities at hand. go to the middle east or the african horn and call out the theologians there on holy scripture issues and see how long it takes you to appreciate just how good you really have it in america. also the fact that most "christians" in this country could really care less about their own religion should be a higher priority at, least in america, than this so called widespread persecution. i hope to never see real persecution in this country against anyone for personal religious beliefs. everyone has the right as humans to worship or not to worship. there will always be bad apples unfortunately but i think that it's a little to soon to be having widespread panic about persecution of beliefs. i have lived in both worlds of belief and non-belief and i haven't been told i need to shut my mouth more than being on the non-belief side. it is frustrating to see people complain on such a large scale when you don't really know just how good you have it.

      • i'm counting and also counting that 80% of people in this country are christian. so if you all want to persecute each other than go right ahead but saying that the other piddly 20% of the country is "persecuting" you is shameful and obnoxious. i wouldn't be getting too scared for anything like that anytime soon. i think your in the clear for QUITE a while.

      • When persecution is at full force, we'll see who the "true Christians" are standing up for their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and willing to die for it.

      • 80 percent say their christian, 4 percent believe Jesus is the way truth and the life the only way to the father.

      • Oh how true this statement is. Even many that say they are Christians are not. Just because you believe there is a God...the one true God...the God of Abraham...and know the bible to be the true Word of our Lord, does not make you a Christian. I,myself have debated with many so called Christians and have found that many of them have not even been properly saved according to scripture and have no idea what they are even talking about when they try to quote the Word of God....of these, many have ridiculed and persecuted the very people they claim to be....they are misguided and lost...we must be careful to not take a military type stance against those who persecute us...but too shake the dust from our feet and spread the gospel of our Lord Christ Jesus anywhere and everywhere we will be accomodated...we are to turn the other cheek...and spread the glory of the kingdom of God without fear...out of tribulation comes perseverance.....turn to the Word of God anddelve deep for the real answers to the persecution of Christians and you will find much more than you expect...go forth boldly and without fear my brothers and sisters in Christ...speaking the Truth and only the Truth and your rewards will be beyond measure....may our Lord save us all...i pray daily for all of you and for the Kingdom to come...amen

      • Hey Trev,
        Can I have your email so when I want to start something off slowly, like a holocaust, I can count on you to say the right things for me?

    • Christianity IS under persecution here in the US as well as throughout the world. The reason is because Christianity is the only EXCLUSIVE religion. Jesus said, "...no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" [John 14:6]. He invites ALL to Him, however, few take the "narrow way" [Mathew 7:14] of repentance of sins and acceptance of Christ as our Savior. To follow Jesus is to make yourselves a "living sacrafice" [Romans 12:1]. Here in the US, many of influence teach the opposite. They say there are many paths to Heaven, the Holy Bible is an out-dated relic used as a crutch by Christians, homosexuality is acceptable; if something looks good, eat it, if it feels good, do it. I could keep listing teachings that are contradictory to the Christian faith, however, my point is that the direction of society in the US is in opposition to everything we believe as Christians. I predict that it won't be long before churches will have to remove crosses from outside because the crosses offend Muslims and athiests, private Christian schools will be foreced to close, and the Holy Bible will be considered hate literature. Even with all this adveristy, every true Christian knows the promise from God that Jesus will return and give us everlasting life. So I pray for those who know not God that they may be given light. Peace be with you.

      • It's happening already! Recently, two hospitals in my area merged. Because of the bureaucracy of the new "corporation", the one named "Good Samaritan" had to take down it's cross!

      • Very well said. Wish I could be that articulate with people like Trev that I know. I will say though, most of those I know are not as "in your face." Thanks.

      • Hell'o follower of the one and only true GOD Jesus Christ. Thank you do being honest, your words are true

      • I'm in class right now typing fast, My hope is in Jesus Christ and my prayers are with you all who are being persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ. It is written in God's word that we must also suffer with him if we are to call ourselves a child of the Most High God. Change come with fasting and praying. So, I will always pray for all of us who walk before God, as one of His children. Be bless in your work, you are the light that is upon a hill that can not be hidden. SHINE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS SHINE. So that the world may see the light of God in you.

      • The bible has already been removed from the restaurant of a Christian who kept it out and open, because part of it is "offensive to homosexuals" . Interesting, since they seemingly want to get married in Christian churches and preach from Christian pulpits.

    • You are seeing real persecution in the USA. DO you think that a government that promotes, supports and defends the mass murder of 50 million children are not persecutinng them? You will be next. Believe me.

      • That is just more anti-choice propaganda. No one FORCES them to get an abortion. Republicans talk about being against government regulation, yet hypocritically want to control woman's bodies and pass crass and uncouth legislation banning gays from marrying.

        Man has invented many stupid laws ranging from "Don't make statues of Deities" (the pseudo-"Crime" of idolatry") to "You cannot walk backwards after sunset" (a law actually on the books)

        The REAL persecution in this country is against religious minorities such as Atheist, Wiccans, and Buddhist (you know, the so-called "False" religions) Since the Christian resolve to see the world as sinful has made it sinful, I suggest you leave your crazy superstitions of a guy who was his own father rising from the dead behind and join a tolerant, non-bigoted, and not profane faith. Profane superstitious Christians are RUINING the country. Afterall, you promote hell, it's your hell, you burn in it. Or, in the tiny chance it's real (lol!) I'll share a space with John Calvin. That guy hated sex and fun so much he would probably be having an eternal party LMFAO! No, seriously, we shouldn't pretend to be more than wormfood.

      • Perhaps abortion is not persecution. However, I think you, Jay, don't understand. We would be as bad as you say we are if we were merely trying to control people by promoting things we do not believe. The point is, we believe our religion and are trying to act on it. I am very sorry that some of my brothers and sisters in the Lord fail to show God's love, and show people like you only God's judgement. The truth is that God's love and forgiveness are there for you if you will accept them. I know we often show judgement, but we are trying to warn you. We are really no better than anybody else. We are all sinners. It is only God's forgiveness that sets us apart from anybody.
        Also, if you really value kindness and tolerance, please do not make such angry posts. You hurt people's feelings by the way you write. Please remember that we are people like you. We just believe different things. We really believe those things. Please, try to understand us.

      • Yes we are just set aside for God's purpose. Yes the only difference is that we know and have Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. But in order to know God you first must have a relationship with God. Some know God because they have heard of Him . But Christians we are not here to pass judgment on anyone, God's word has already done so. I will continue later, class started.

      • Hey Jay, just thought I'd share a few thoughts with you. First of all, your mockery of Christ, while completely offensive, is something that Christians should expect. Christ promised that He would be hated, and that we would be hated, for following Him. In fact, any hateful post you make is just a reaffirmation to us that things are going exactly as God said they would. My concern is primarily for you.
        I am not convinced that you really believe what you say. I think, deep down, God has planted a seed in your heart that will grow into a perfect manifestation of His Spirit. I believe this, because God doesn't turn His back on us. Regardless of how far we go, He will bring us back into the fold if we simply ask. If you are so convinced that God is false, then try something. With a completely open mind and heart, ask God to instill His Spirit into your life. Sometimes, we don't see sin as such until God gives us His perspective.
        Also, in response to your suggestion to 'try' another 'religion,' I was a Buddhist for a number of years-I considered a Monastic life, even-but the desire for eternity was planted in my heart, and I was led to the best (and most challenging) relationship I've ever had. Christ isn't some relic who lived and died like any other man, He is alive and active right now.
        I'm telling you this, not because I fear for your soul (which I do,) but more so because you're missing out on the best thing that could ever happen to you. Why sit outside and eat rats in the gutter when God is inviting you in for a steak dinner?

      • Anti-choice? What choice does the unborn child have ? Ever heard of contraception ? If you don't want to be pregnant, or to father a baby who ends up in a bucket with his or her skin burned off, and dead, then you use a contraceptive. Simple. No need to go around killing innocent little bablies who just want to be loved and play on a beach.

      • Since The Roe vs Wade decision in 1973, there have been a million and a half abortions every year. Afew million more than what you say - but what's a few million among fiends ?
        We have killed the future.
        And every baby died horribly. Woe to the knowing doctors who did all of that - for money, not because of some great ethic to save the mothers etc. Did they do all that for free ?
        Horrible, horrible. Their blood is on every city drain, and calls to God.
        Can you hear it coming ?
        It IS coming. The Day of The Lord. It won't matter what you believe then.
        Having said that, I'd rather be on His side.
        Hell, and annihilation, are not something to look forward to.

    • I totaly agree. The atheists speak of christains as being bigots yet in reality they're the true bigots. I'm in college and the students and Professors mock my Savior as well as my fellow brother and sisters. They claim that we are haters, yet I just saw an atheist with a shirt saying that he hated my lord. Sometimes I'm reallly frightened. In fact I'm thinking of transfering to a christain college.

      • Hi there, remember, All things work together for good to those who love God and to those who are the called according to His purpose. Everything that happens may not be good, but it is working together for something good. Remember in the book of Acts, after the ascension of Christ, the disciples were hanging around Jerusalem. God warned the church of a pending persecution. Some fled Jerusalem, some stayed. However, the ones who fled spread the gospel as far as Europe. Sometimes God will put a fire under us to get us to move. You know, I am sure there were times in your life, as well as in mine, I would not have moved until things got uncomfortable. I America, things are beginning to get uncomfortable for Christians, could it be it is time for us to "Get a Move On" and be about our Father's business? Let's see, Abraham had a dearth to escape, Isaac had a dearth, Jacob had Esau, Moses had Pharaoh, David had Saul, Hannah had Peniniah, Paul had a thorn in his flesh. We all get nugged ever so gently. If we ignore the nugg, we may get a shove. But keep in mind, it's for our good.

      • I don't believe anyone really doesn't believe. If the atheist didn't really believe, he/she would not try so hard to disprove what is nonsense to him/her. For example, I don't believe in vampires. I would not waste my time addressing the issue. If the atheist did not believe in God he/she would not waste precious time trying to convince someone he/she was an atheist. I think the reason he/she does is because that person is trying to convince his/her self that he/she does not believe. As long as he/she is entertaining the conversation, that tells me, there is something there.

      • So... if you disbelieve people who tell you they don't believe in god, and you assume that people who don't say anything probably also believe in god, you arrive at the logical conclusion that everyone must believe in god?

    • Persecution and intolerance of Christian values has clearly increased. There have been multiple church shootings in the last decade that have been conveniently categorized as "non hate crimes" by liberal attitudes. Comparing the reactions from the murder of Matthew Sheppard or shooting of an abortion doctor demonstrates more sympathy and coverage from the media towards abortion or violence against gays. Just in the last several months there have been murders of pastors, a nun and people of the preceived "religious right" without much fanfare. One woman was run over and killed in Arizona by her Islamic father who was upset that his daughter was too "western". The media had the audacity to put a "family values" spin on it, implying that the religious right was a motivation. These spins in the media are quite common. The media bends over backwards to put liberalism into many stories.

      The rabid hatred displayed against Sarah Palin had a lot more to do with her religious stance than her political positions. The media worked overtime to discredit Palin; with the entertainment industry also joining in. This rhetoric was repeated all through the Bush administration with the worn out "right wing fundamentalists" label being used like a curse word. Positions were rarely argued, just painting "fundamentalists", a clear slam at being a person of biblical faith was enough to raise negative attitudes. This negativity was repeatedly used.

      Another tiresome display is the continous "being forced" to comply to Christian values being paraded out by secularists that have a clear dislike for biblical values. Talk about manufacturing ridiculous positions. There's nothing evil about promoting self control in sexual expression, rejecting violence, turning your back on alcohol, drugs and pornography. Mark Leno, a gay councilmember in San Francisco said "they are loud, obnoxious and disgusting and should get out of San Francisco." He was speaking of the Battlecry Christian Youth who assembled at ATT Park for a rally. As usual the media and Leno were clueless, more interested in promoting their own image of why Battlecry was taking place. The intellectual arrogance of the media and those as Mark Leno shows who the real intolerant ones are. It was one of the most pitiful displays of false accusations and purposeful misrepresentation ever displayed.

      The liberals have built a platform of hatred and arrogance. Dan Quayle, George Bush Sr., George Bush Sr, Gerald Ford were painted by democrats as dull, stupid or dumb. Clarence Thomas was presented as "oversexed black man" by the confirmation process of the liberals and democrats. The democrats made a mockery of Jesse Jackson's bid to become the first black presidential candidate. Was it because of Thomas' and Jackson's religious affiliations? I don't know....and this point I left the democratic party for good.

      • Palin had associations with a Witch hunting pastor from Africa. The only reason why he wanted to execute witches was because some barbaric dog (who was primitive even for his time relative to his surrounding neighbors) not even worth a pile of pig placenta wrote "suffer not a witch to live". Such intolerant attitudes need to be challenged and fought. Palin was an idiot since she believed creationism should be taught in schools (which creation myth? It's very obvious she meant the Christian creation myth. You teach that myth and you'll have to teach the Hindu, Tao, Shinto, and other creation myths out of respect and fairness to others' faiths) and didn't know that "Under God" in the pledge was added in the 50's.

      • Certainly, witch hunts are often great mistakes. However, you, Jay, are being very rude. You should not call anybody an idiot. That is mean. I apologize on behalf of the whole Christian community for any time any Christian has ever used such language against a non-Christian. I'm sorry that such things have happened. However, I am about ready to cry by the way you are talking.

      • seriously .i am a Christian and a mission worker.and i just think this whole sensitive i wana cry emotion play is not a good way to reach a non Christian.a non Christian doesn't have the same values,as a Christian they conform to a different system.dont feel sorry for those who dont want to accept Christ. dust your shoes of if they dont want to listen and move on.treat them with respect and let them be what they want to be .only Christ can change them.we dont need to defend Christ.to prove to those who wont accept that Christ does exist let Christ work in them.dont pity them or try and justify ure beliefs your just giving them more ammunition.i live in a country where witch craft and atheism is the main belief systems.and yes i have no doubt that because of all the media propaganda the states will be mostly atheistic in the future,but all these things have to happen.oh and please people when you accept christ you dont start talking in king james, ure still human.how can you be in the world if you purposefully take ureself out of it,how will you reach any one then.i know being persecuted by atheists is for lack of a beter word crap.but this is the world we live in,reason wiht them on their playing field.if you want to debate with one of them do research.the love play doesnt work on them, also ure supposed to show Christs love though your life not even ure words or deeds people should just see it

      • No, you don't "have to teach Hindu, Tau, Shinto," or anything else, unless you really are a waffler who vacillates around trying to be a "nice" person, "open to discussion".  The Kingdom of Heaven is not a democracy. What God says, goes. So why bother with false creeds and rubish false Ggodlets that have zero power to help you or anyone else?
        And "under God" was not added in the 50's, but even if it was, that just means that we advanced.

      • Its a time to wish you one of the nicest days , any one could have, because you are one of the nicest people any one could know. happy new year

    • To trick someone into signing a form, while they are under twilight sleep for a medical procedure, in order to put the "chip" in their body is definitely, without a doubt, persecution. It happened to me & I live in the United States!!! AND psychiatrists are always calling people psychotic if they say they hear from God. When Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice" !!!

    • I do agree with you that regardless of what we are encountering in the US, we are blessed. Not too long ago I wrote an ethics paper on genocide. As I researched my paper, I found myself in tears in a college library, typing and crying at the same time. The persecution others have faced in countries like Sudan, Rwanda, China etc. will blow your mind.
      Nevertheless, I must say, concerning America; here, the enemy has perfected a different approach to persecution. We are persecuted, ensnared, an entrapped and don't even see it coming. The difference between here and there is, there, the enemy to ones faith is in the open, identifiable. Here, we are entertained by the enemy, sleep with the enemy, listen admiringly to the enemy. We take the enemy to dinner, laugh at its jokes. We are like fools being lead to the stocks, a bird going to the corn, not knowing that it is a trap until it's too late. We cool off by degree (as in the boiled frog experiment) our insides are cooked before we know the temperature has risen. Many American's works will be burned, but by the grace of God the souls will be saved. Not by works lest any should boast; but by the grace of love of Jesus Christ. Be Blessed!!!

      • Sachinko, your letter is amazing and so well written - thankyou, it was good for my heart to read so much truth put so cuccinctly. I wish everyone would read it and really understand.

    • We have it good so far - but the kids in schools are not being taught to respect Christianity, nor do they know what it is. They will not think it matters when more and more rights and practices are eroded. They are being eroded, pay attention.

  3. I agree with who ever documented this blog completly. Trev, what you argued, is quite irrelevant to the topic to be quite truthful. You see, this blog isn't complaining about how little persecution there is in America, it is stating the acceptance of the little that is occuring (which seems what you imply) is in fact what will soon lead to the dominant existence of it. We so rarely even address it occuring around the world, and blindly see it heading this way. In mainstream media, everything seems to come to light, but not neccessarily. When North Korea launched the rocket, it was all over mainstream media, before it was even close to occurring. But, it failed to reveal that in fact, North Korea is at the top of the list of the persecution of Christians. There are probably over 50 countries right now, where persecution of Christianity is very bad. But do we hear so much about it? Not at all. In light of the subject, people seem to think that it's simply "not that bad here in America", but take into consideration what morals and values our country is made up and where they came from. Our common cultural religion "Christianity". Yes, our founding fathers did in fact base this country on many of our cultural principles, and even some laws from Christianity. But as this blog stated, the persecution of this has long begin, as soon as divorce came so openly excepted, teen rebellion, killing sprees became a norm, and as we have recently encountered, homosexuality being excepted in churches (pastors that are gay). The leader of our country encourages abortions. So Chuck was right, the beginning of persecution, began with Christians persecuting themselves, by taking Gods word out of their lives, hearts, and themselves and changing Gods commands, therefore the christians persecuting themselves by alleviating the God in them. They allowed worldly deceitfulness to creep into them, and turn them away from God, thus forth, persecuting their own selves. But what about those who haven't? This is where America persecuting christians steps in. Many people are rising together forming rules and regulations (hate crimes) against those who have not taken upon themselves the deceit and rebelled against it. No, not fighting or any of that rebellion, but by simply standing and reminding people, as I am, what God said. The truth. Not using deceit as a veneer over my own desires. The Christians that are not turning away from what God said, are being accused of hating. The only thing I am guilty of is telling people to turn away from these sins, so that we all can rejoice in heaven together. Not hating anyone, just telling the truth. Hate is for the racist people, who say that a man is unfit for justice because of his color. We are all fit for heaven, all we have to do is come to God, and be obedient to his words. Should I be condemned for reminding my younger brother who is attempting to smoke crack that it is against what our parents taught us, and when he does begin to and becomes a frequent user of it, that all he has to do is to listen to what our parents taught us as we were growing up, that all he has to do to get back on the right track is to seek help at rehab, and helping him to get enrolled and being there for him? Or do I hate my brother for wanting good for him? The world has things all backwards, what is wrong is good, and what is good is wrong. That's how we know the world is ending. Besides that fact, that the great antichrist that was foretold in the bible, was said to deceive many with his wise words and smooth talking, and happens to be standing right before us, and people are truly
    deceived and don't even recognize him. (Yes, the antichrist) There are many more vivid signs that he is who has been what was foretold, but people make up so many excuses and say "coincidence". (back to main topic). So in a way I disagree, but I agree as well. Persecutions has long began, but now, the physical being of persecution is very soon to take place in America. Christians who do keep this in mind and still maintain what God said and try to help people, but will be refused that right and accused of hating, and literally punished. Sent to jail, made to go without food, publicly humiliated, and even tormented. Open your eyes people. It is right here right now, one foot in action, but two will end the game. The truth will set you free.

    • You are correct in what you say. This country is headed for real persecution and very soon. Our current leaders are leading this nation as far away from God as we have ever been. Currently our faith is "tolerated" in so far as we keep it inside the church walls. Christ didn't tell us to do that so we will suffer persecution by our own government and brethren much more than we currenty are. Our own government has already labeled us terrorists when they won't even call the real terrorists by that name. How ironic. Our true brothers in Christ really need to be praying for this nation and our communities for we are truly headed down a road the likes of which this country has never seen.

      • Tommy,
        You are so correct and thank you Father for giving us this wonderful gift of discernment. Persecution is headed our way much sooner than people may think. Every true child of God's needs to be praying in very continuous prayer for each other. What we are about to go through, we need to be very near to Christ Jesus. So many people, whether they are Christian or not, they are blinded and just dont see. Being totally wrapped up in their lives and so addicted to the toys our government makes for us (on purpose to keep us dumbed down), they are not going to wake up. We can only pray that many people's eyes become opened, and frankly it worries me so much as I look out in the town around me. I don't even hear the name God or Jesus anymore. It is a sad thing, but they are removing God from our world as we speak. The Sunday Laws will be enacted very soon and enforced on us and until people get to really know Jesus and study the Word, they won't know what that means and what the mark of the Beast is and what the Seal of God is.
        May God have mercy, but even so...Jesus come!

      • Thank you Tommy. If I understand the bill correctly, if this "Hate Crimes" bill passes, Christianity may even be banned from inside Church walls.

      • It is. People do not need to proclaim their sexual preference, the church is not about that. It is about praising God, accepting the love of Christ and bringing salvation to others. It is a wrong thing to have one's sexual orientation - especially a wrongful one - since sex is for marriage between a man and a woman only, and anything else is not a marriage and is adultery. If I were a thief, I would not expect to step into the pulpit and say "I am a thief and it is wonderful - all thieves should be able to be pastors if they want, and proclaim that they are thieves and be proud to be thieves."

      • This country is in the condition it is in because the church stopped praying. Remember, the weapons of our warefare are not carnal but mighty through God through the pulling down of strongholds. When was the last time we really began to war in the spirit and pull down strongholds? When was the last time pushed back our plates (fasted) for someone else that God would change their mindset. When was the last time we prayed for those in authority? The Bible tells us to do these things. Instead we complain, become self-righteous--pointing out why they are wrong and we are right. That is arrogance on our part. When was the last time we decided to light a candle instead of curse the darkness? Remember, We are the salt of the Earth, We are the light of the World. It is our job to preserve and illuminate in this world. When was the last time we spent 2 hours before God weeping for our country and leaders? E-mail me back and tell me please. I will be honest, I have not done any of these things lately. I'm going to change that. It's time for me to be a light, light a candle, and stop using my mouth to criticize and curse the darkness. If we are not an answer to the problem, we are aiding it.


  5. This blog is very informative. It is time for Christians to open their eyes and realize that our freedoms are slowly slipping away. The reason it is slipping is because we have become complacent. When we get what we want, we are often satisfied. David said, "I will not be satisfied until I appear in your likeness." Our hearts cry has become, I won't be satisfied until I get what I want. We have really got to come back to God.

    I disagree with the person who said "believe what you want and follow Christ. If you do that, you will be sure to hear "I know you not, ye workers of iniquity." God determines how we are to worship Him. His word determines what we are to believe. The Word says: "If you believe on me AS THE SCRIPTURE HATH SAID out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water." Stop the foolishness about believing what you want and everything will be alright, It won't. As Americans we have formed a god whom we call God and Jesus, but it is another Jesus. A Jesus who accepts sins, a Jesus who approves racism, prejudice, gossip, backbiting, and all other forms of foolishness. That is not the God of the Bible. That is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That is a god constructed from the minds of the American people. That god will not save you in the time of trouble. I don't know about you, but I want to know the true God; the one with a standard called holiness. The true God who heals, forgives, loves, and yet does not change, stands for righteous. A God who makes covenant and holds us responsible for our ways, doings, and actions.

    The reason we are losing our freedom is because we as a nation have turned to another god. Turn back to the true God. When we do that, with all our hearts, then we will see a change in tide in America, if not America, at least we will see a change in the church.

  6. When did Jesus beloved disciple come to believe that Jesus was risen from the dead?
    "Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed." (John)20:8 KJV.
    Traditionalism states: the apostle John did not necessarily believe that Jesus was risen from the dead @ the advent of (John)20:8, but that he believed Jesus "overall message".
    This is of course obstinance in the face of scriptural reality because Jesus "overall message" is, "The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." Luke 24:7 KJV.
    Furthermore, the apostle John could not have believed Jesus "overall message" @ the advent of (John) 20:8, because @ the advent of Mark 16:14, which chronologically follows (John) 20:8, the apostle John is counted as one of "the eleven" whom Jesus rebukes for unbelief in the testimony of them which saw Jesus after he was risen from the dead. Why does any of this matter if one is a believer in The Doctrine of Christ Resurrected ?
    Well, when I first heard the good news of God's only acquired, anointed, and empowered Son, Jesus Christ, how that he was delivered into the hands of sinful men, and was crucified, and was buried, and the third day rose again from the dead, I rejoiced, and was comforted by what God has so graciously wrought for me, a sinner...and I believed. Desirous to learn more, I was instructed to begin my new walk of faith in Christ Resurrected with prayer, and the reading of the so-called 'Gospel According to John.' In earnest prayer I made my first approach to the door of the sheepfold of scripture, with the words "according to John" presupposing any other thought of "who wrote this?" in my mind. Joyful in my newfound faith, I began comparing the Gospel Testimony of Jesus beloved disciple with the three gospel accounts. Soon though, my Joy turned to confusion as I found myself wandering around in a desert of scriptural uncertainty, and getting caught up in a whirlwind faltering between two opinions: belief in what I at first only heard...Jesus Christ is risen from the dead...and unbelief in what the apostle John also at first only heard...Jesus Christ is risen from the dead!!! I quickly realized that I was not confused at all, and decided that following the apostle John "to the heart of Jesus" in accordance with a doctrinal tradition of men would be contrary to what I first believed when I heard the report. Beloved in Christ, the traditional view which presupposes authorship of the fourth gospel on behalf of the apostle John is a viewpoint of "unbelief before belief" in The Doctrine of Christ Resurrected, a doctrine that Christ never taught!!! Such a view as this is akin to the theory of evolution which teaches "death before sin", a doctrine that Christ never taught!!! Beloved in Christ, be wise not to toss this issue aside in favor of the iconclastic knowledge of so-called gnosticism, nor cloak it behind a veil of secondary importance in light of why Jesus beloved disciple put his hand with pen and ink to paper in the first place-(John)20:31KJV. The greatest measure by which the greatest degree of scriptural certainty might be achieved in discerning the true identity of him whose testimony we know by faith is true is belief in Christ Resurrected; which without, Jesus beloved disciple could not have had any good purpose to testify thereby, muchless whereby to write. Besides, if it were possible for a doctrinal tradition of men to bridge the gap between hearing the truth for first time...Jesus Christ is risen from the dead....and knowing with the greatest degree of scriptural certainty whom exactly it was that had testified and wrote of it, then any debate over authorship of the forth gospel as a means of determining it's "canonicity" would never have been necessary. Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of their faith in The Doctrine of Christ Resurrected, the same have knowingly, or perhaps unwittingly strained out Jesus beloved disciple, and swallowed an apostle, whereby proclamations were made contrary to their original intent. How will the fires of persecution ignite in the United States of America if those who claim to know that the testimony of Jesus beloved disciple is true continue to follow a lie which precedes it ? Only Lazarus of Bethany would have understood the significance of Jesus facecloth folded together in a place by itself! Only Lazarus of Bethany would have been comforted by what the careful, and quite deliberate placement of Jesus facecloth signified! Only Lazarus of Bethany, having recently removed his own burial facecloth, could have known how to read this unveiled message between resurrected friends hidden in plain sight! Only a man whom Jesus resurrected from the dead could lend the greatest degree of credibility as a reliable eye-witness to testify that "these are written that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John) 20:31 KJV. One of the main reasons why Lazarus of Bethany thought it wise to hide behind the seeming elusive moniker, "the disciple whom Jesus loved" is because "the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus." (JJohn) 12:10,11 KJV. Beloved in Christ, understand that Lazarus was a living testament to the authority, and power of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The adversaries of the followers of The Way understood this very well, and knew that if they could kill Lazarus before he was given the opportunity to testify for the kingdom of heaven, and write about it to the generations to come, then they might have been able to prevent more Jews from believing on Jesus, and erase the collective memory of the fact that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, whereby Jesus absolute authority was unequivocally established in the sight of all who witnessed Lazarus' resurrection from the dead, thereby confirming Jesus overall message. Proclaim that we know that the testimony of Lazarus is true, and persecution is sure to follow! Or, continue accepting a lie, and that man of sin will continue to hide in plain sight. If you're paying attention you can hear him preach every Sunday !!!

  7. Y shua is the only way to God the father and eternal life all have fallen short the glory of God. Accept him into your heart and see the truth of his love.

  8. God has revealed to me that I would have to die for him I am not afraid because it is his will for me. right now I am living for him to my hour has come to lie down my life as an offering to him. I want you to know that Jesus loves you and paid the price for your sins. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begoton son that whoever believes in him shall have eternal life. for God did not send his son to condemn the world but through his only son to be saved. It is not too late to accept him. God is speaking to your heart.

  9. theres no doubt that america is becoming more of a liberal nation daily, but the fact that people are being persecuted and descriminated against is something to rejoice about. the only reason one should fear what is coming is if they are lacking faith. if your lacking faith then prayer is what you need to turn to, not silly questions of why things are happening and stating that its not fair. nobody promised being a christian would be easy, or fair or glorious to the outside world. we're called to be strangers to the world though and followers of christ. rejoice in our hardships and failures. it only increases our dependence on christ.

  10. I'm apologize if I offend anyone but this article is a large piece of propoganda with little evidence to support the claims being made. As of 2006 christians represented about 78.3% of the U.S. population. This country was founded on a belief of religious freedom and equality, some of the founding fathers were christians but all believed in the importance of providing equal opportunity to all faiths, churches and denominations.

    It is not that christains are being oppressed but receiving less preferential treatment. All public school curriculums are affected either directly or indirectly through the christian lobby and to claim others wise is a gross distortion of evidence.

    Oh and if anyone wants to claim the bible is FACT or the WORD OF GOD I would have to ask which bible you're reading. Does its translation come from hebrew or latin texts, do you only read the Bible in English and have you ever read beyond the apocrypha? The book has been translated, transcribed and edited numerous times in the past several milenia and all the texts delve from a oral tradition (weren't written down till decades/centuries later). Stories have been added, removed and edited numerous times, the current format is a standardized version from the 1500's containing numerous transcription and translation errors. How many Mary's were initialy in the gospels? In 300 A.D. it was decided that the story of Mary the apostle of Jesus and Mary a repentent whore was too confussing, so they eliminated the apostle and fused her character with Mary Magdelane.

    Comparing laws meant to prevent preferential treatment to one religion or promote healthy discourse about faith to the Holocaust is disgusting. You cheapen genocide by your literary illusion.

    • The "repentant whore" was not named, and was not eliminated from the bible at all, nor was Mary Magdelene. People have assumed they were the same person, but nowhere in the the bible does it say that.

  11. I too read the articles from the USA (and other Western countries) and pray for my Christian brothers and sisters who are starting to face the suppression of their religious freedoms. It is all very well for some on this website to scoff and say no real persecution is happening, but I wonder how they would feel if they lost their job because of their faith and had a mortgage to pay and kids at school, or had to do jail time simply for obeying their Lord - things which have actually happened! Also, concerning the Bible: those who don't believe it is God's Word may be interested to know that it contains over 3oo prophecies which have been fulfilled accurately, including 61 about Jesus the Messiah.

  12. The one thing I noticed about all those who seek to marginalize, ridicule or even mock the Bible or true Christians, is their willful ignorance of the truth. And yet what is happening has been fully predicted by the Word of God.
    2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Peter 3:3-5 "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

    The truth is hated in this world and that is why Biblical Christianity will be persecuted. Religion was created by man, that is why it's doctrines are tolerated, but true Christianity is a way of life, a faith in what God has said and done. And what God has done is He sent His Son to die on Calvary's cross in fulfillment of the Scriptures, to save all of them who freely choose to hear and BELIEVE. Israel is also hated today because they are the people of the book, they are the chosen people of God. They are the ones who gave us Jesus, our Messiah and the Word of God. So the devil and the world he controls hates true Christians, Jews and the Bible. The spirit of antichrist is growing in the world and in America, because we are living in the time of the end, the signs of the time are clear. I think all Christians need to consider the following passage from Revelation 12 and understand that the time of great tribulation long foretold by the holy Scriptures may be upon us.
    "And there appeared a great wondera in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonderb in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."

    The woman is Israel, the dragon is the devil, the man child is Christ and the child of verse 5 is the soon to be raptured church.

    Rejoice O church, for all of this is a sign that your King draweth nigh!

  13. I believe christian persecution is on the rise in America. I also, believe the church "system" be be falsified in many ways to the "true church." In my personal walk in Christianity I have seen far more persecution among each other then outside influences at this time.

  14. Truly Jesus said when you see these things happen, lift up your heads because your redemption draweth near. I know one thing I would much rather die for the name of Jesus than to take a chance and die without Him. Why are people halt between 2 opinions, choose ye this day whom ye will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the Lord!! And not a devil in hell gonna stop me God has been too good to me I owe Him He brought me out of darkness and into His marvelous light and I will shew forth his praises! God is real its in God that we live and we move and we have our being!

  15. Really?
    What about in Europe when Christians killed millions for not believing the way they did.
    What about the Salem Witch trails were Christians killed hundreds for being different?
    what about in todays world were homosexuals are beaten because "one should not lay with a male as one would lay with a women." kids are harassed and bullied in schools because they didn't go to the youth group last week. and No the american revolution was not fought on Christian bases, it was fought so that there could be a place for people of all cultures and all backgrounds to be peaceful and happy as one. George Washington said it himself. the true reality is that Christians are bullying the whole country and forcing them to believe the way they do. proof? millions of people are thrown in jail turned into hard criminals loose their jobs in familys all because in the 30's radical Christians wanted marijuana ilegalized. as you said yourself a women was passing Christian tapes out on hallowween. Some of those kids were probably of diffrent faiths yet she unknowingly insulted them. America is great because of the diffrent kinds of people, but when one group wants the whole lot to be like them, thats were We fail as a nation.

    • Shane -   Your comments aren't based on reality  .  Christians killed millions ?   Where ?    The Communist Bolsheviks killed millions of Ukranian Christians after  WWI
      The Nazis killed not only  6 million Jews,  but also millions of Christian Poles .  Muslims 
      just finished killing 2 million Christian Sudanese .   The being said,  the central commandment 
      of Jesus was to love others .  

    • She was passing out Christian tapes because kids are in great danger on Hallowe'en - it's roots are in hell. People are sacrificed on hallowe'en - animal shelters stop allowing black cats to be adopted around then, because satanists are sacrificing them.Every police department has to deal with ritual abuse, and people who have suffered because of it pile up in mental hospitals every October. Wakey-wakey. Coffee's on. 

  16. Fact is the USA is in and has been in a holding pattern for persecution in which our christian rights have been taken away cleverly and silently. Being a nominal christian as many are today, does not help this fact. Knowing that something is wrong but only knowing and not standing up for our rights, (ie. prayer in school, public places, 10 commandments and other ie's.) is a prescription for disaster. I have been to other countries and I agree we do not have the type of physical and psychological persecution that happens in those places. However, just as David ran to the battles lines to meet his brothers who were facing the goliath, we must get to jogging if not running. Israel had heard the taunts of goliath over and over but just standing there and doing nothing accomplished nothing. David I am sure heard the taunts before that day however is was a breaking point in being nominal like the rest. Ok, I am sure the nominal point has been made, lets just do what we know is right and let God's spirit do the hard part.

    • The "hard parts" for us are loving and forgiving, but they are not hard for God. "God IS Love." If you are allowing the God within yourself (Jesus said "He is within you") to take charge of you, He and you won't be looking to vanquish enemies, He and you will love them. They will no longer be a problem to you. They are not enemies to God, they are His children also, and he "makes the rain to shine on the just and the unjust." "Love your neighbor as yourself." "Love your enemies." "Forgive so you may be forgiven." As for "prayer in school, public places, 10 commandments...," have you not read that Jesus taught us not to pray in public (so as to be seen by others), but to pray inside ourselves, in secret, and God will answer us there. Jesus said that Moses' 10 commandments were no longer the standard to go by, because all the commandments are fulfilled through the law of love. If you are expressing love, you are expressing God, and that's all Jesus asked for. That's how we spread God - not by forcing beliefs about Him on others.

      • @PJS and other posts saying God is all love and christians are to be all about love well it isnt just about love. Jesus told us to stand our ground, and to cast out the enemy whether it be satan and his minions or atheists and muslims. there are merchants in his temple and He wants them cast out. the world’s saying if Jesus wants them cast out than let Him come down and do it While thinking christians have no say in the matter and no authority to do so. Jesus had a few choice words for those merchants in his temple. Jesus isnt all about love.

      • Love in Biblical terms tends to mean faithfulness to God, and kindness to people and all living creatures.

      • YOU can't force beliefs on others" - but the government can. Just by eroding the presence of true belief - easy. Just make it that we must have "se[aration of church and state" and no instruction in schools, so that kids have no reason whatsoever to do what's right, since now that is just "situational ethics" and can be ignored if inconvenient. And you will see the fruits of this, yes you will. And you will cry. You will.

  17. Censoring the Christian model and denigrating biblical values has resulted in a generation where every day in the United States:

    · 437 children are arrested for drinking or drunk driving
    · 211 children are arrested for drug abuse
    · 1,629 children are in adult jails
    · 30 children are wounded by guns
    · 10 children are killed by guns
    · 135,000 children bring a gun to school


  18. I wish everyone was a little more tolerant sometimes. Christianity is a wonderful thing, but I think groups like the Westboro Baptist Church and certain groups trying to push people to believe are giving Christianity a bad name. I think leading by example (like Jesus did) rather than pushing will help people become more tolerant of Christians. I mean if we all damn people to hell, doesn't that make us look bad? Let's be a little more tolerant of not only our fellow Christians, but even other people who do not share the same faith. I mean once it comes down to acutal facts, Jesus was a devout Jew. That doesn't necessarily mean everyone has to follow Judaism. Even the cross originates from the ancient Egyptian's symbol of the ankh that symbolized eternal life. I'm not trying to promote or demote anyone but if we were all more tolerant of eachother, the world would be a nicer place in general.

    • Jesus pushed the money changers right out of the temple and confronted evil.  He is coming as a lion next time.   He said He came to Divide.  There are many who think they are Christian (even some leaders of Churches who are misleading and have sold out) The gate is narrow, just like the enzimes that carry nutrients to your organs, they don't just let anything in.  I don't plan to cooperate with evil at any time-MLK.  Jesus said "Go and sin no more" that doesn't mean keep on doing your thing.  "If we all damn people to hell..." I said the same thing to gravity, "Do you have to make everyone fall when they step off the ledge?"  If you are more concerned with what the world thinks than bringing Truth out, then you are just another sleeping zombie with scales over your eyes. We are fighting a real war...a spiritual war  with evil forces that most people can't and don't want to see.  Grievous things are  being done to real families and people who seek The Lord.  I hope you wake up soon and ask God to show you the truth so you can fight this battle.  God does not want the fearful.  Courage, Love, Truth and the Blood of JESUS! Hope to see you in The Kingdom.

    • The world does not need the overlay of "nice". It is not going to be nice, and never has been. We constantly make bad choices. People have been committing every wrong they can think of, in the worst way, since year dot. The cross has got nothing to do with the ankh. It is an instrument of torture that many people have been killed on. No fun hanging up there in the frying sun, then the freezing cold, with wood splinters sticking into the cuts made by whips on your back, naked for all to see - yes He was naked, they didn't put a cute little loin cloth on Him. And He was up there paying so people con't have to go to Hell, we can choose life, if we want it.

  19. I am a Christian grandmother and home schooled my three daughters who are all grown now and have children of their own.

    I can testify to the fact that Christian persecution has already been experienced in this country for many years. This is not a new thing. It is just morphing and growing. The Bible tells us that if we live godly in Christ Jesus, we will suffer persecution.

    Home schooling in the early 80s was not an easy choice to make. People were being publicly slandered and threatened by the State with imprisonment. When I launched out to do this, I was one of a mere handful of home educators in the State of Minnesota. So we became sitting ducks in the scope of the government school system which sought to make an example of us.

    I risked my freedom and at times my life, to do what I believed God had called me to do. Schooling my children was especially challenging because the circumstances I lived under made any act of obedience to God an almost impossible task.

    Recently I have been led to write the story of my ordeal. It is called, A Mother's Fragrant Journey to New Life - The Challenging Autobiography of a Christian Home School Pioneer.

    There are many valuable personal lessons in this book that I would like to share with other Christians. It is not really a "How to Home School" book, but more of a "How to Identify and Overcome Evil" book, so even those who are not home educators are often blessed by it. Readers are telling me that this is a compelling book--one that you cannot put down.

    You can learn more about A Mother's Fragrant Journey to New Life at: http://NurturingLifeMinistry.blogspot.com .

  20. I completely agree. Thank you for writing the truth. I see first hand the anti-christian attitudes escalating in public schools. For example, there was a Tolerance Week that supported non-christian values like homosexuality and believing in false gods. I am sometimes called outspoken and opinionated because I disagree with the lack of morals becoming more visible in everday highschool. I am proud to speak the truth for Christ and I will continue to pray for tact.

    • In Jack London Square in Oakland is a very beautiful satue of a goddess. It is about fitteen feet tall and is there year-round. I bet you never will see a statue of the nativity there at Christmas, nor in many other places either. It doesn't matter that I would like that, and that other Christians would, any staue of a Christian nature must be removed from any public place. And Easter is now Spring Break, Good Friday and Easter Monday - the most important days of the Christian year are not holidays, and Christmas is only allowed because it is used by the secular. Thanksgiving does not include thanks to God as it should - even the president has done away with that - since he says "America is not a Christian Nation". And now we have no prayer or religous instruction in schools. The separation of church and state was to keep the sate from interfering with religion, not vice versa. So instead of interfering with it as such, the state nullifies it. What a mess. And it WILL get worse.

      • To be honest, we should have never celebrated Good Friday, Easter, Lent, Epiphany, Lent, or any holy days that do not coincide with the ONLY TRUE holy days in the first place, for they were ALWAYS pagan in origin! The only days that we are SPECIFICALY told to follow are found within the Holy Scriptures, such as Purim, the Feast of Tabernacles, the Feast of and Chanukah.

  21. Christians should and cannot be tolerent of others actions that do not line up with the bible. That does not mean do not love them but that means do not agree with what they are doing and support it. If Christians actually stood up and told falling Christians what they are doing is not okay in a LOVING voice, I believe there would be a lot more legitment Christians. Anyone can say "I'm a Christian" but so few live it out. Actions speak louder than words. Persecution is coming, and coming soon. Do you think Christianity getting shunned away slowly is by chance? I think not. I believe this all what is happening to set us up for the end times fortold in Revelations.

  22. I'm a first generation Ukrainian-American Christian. I was so severely abused and persecuted by the police. I almost lost my life. This took place in America. My situation was brought to the attention of President Obama and he didn't do a thing. By the grace of God, I now live in an area, where I do trust the police. They are aware of my situation and they don't frighten me. I'ts a scary place when the government in collaboration with the police are hurting even killing innocent Christian Americans.

  23. the church is in such a daze right now. it is focused on prosperity and is going to be rudley awaken. these are the beginning of the last days. church wake up.

    • That is completly true. false teachers have crept in and changed the pure word of Jesus. There is no mentioned of the horrifying future for all who do not obey GOds word. JEsus stated only those who obey Gods commandments will enter into heaven. People think they can say a prayer and they are saved. But Jesus said " many will say to me on that day lOrd, LOrd, did we not prophesy in your name, Cast out demons in your name, and do many wonderful works in your name. THen Jesus will say to them Depart from me you who work iniquity." The group of people that use that terminology are those who are in church. I am not saying church is bad cause The word states "let us not forsake the assembly of ourselves together" But many in chuch will be shocked they have been led astray be false teachers not teaching Holiness, REpentance,Fear of God. Please people start reading your bible and pray GOd will teach you the truth and change our hearts.

  24. My name is daniel kimuyu in columbus ohio ,a naturalised citizen from kenya,a christian  who is  persecuted daily by the federal goverment in the name of a criminal.God is my witness,I feel  afraid and  my life in america is unsecure.
    Who wants to say Iam wrong.America ,the country I love,will pay for persecuting  christians.Iam saying this with alot of respect for the government and the law  but its very wrong to treat an individual like me with so much humiliation and psychlogical torture in  what people call the leader of the free.Yesterday was a  perfect example.I can testify in the court  for my allegations for th elast two and half years.may the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob be my witness and always  defend my course.Amen.

  25. This article is so misleading and contains many lies and historical accuracies presented as truth. 

    ‎"Faculty and peer efforts to convince public school children that America was not founded on Christian ideals, and that our forefathers actually wanted a secular society, permeates public school interaction."

    That's because it is true!!
    ‎"the American Revolution was fought on Christian principles"

    You gotta be kidding. This is historically dishonest and a lie. Thomas Horn need to stop reading David Barton and learn some basic American history. He promotes lies as history, then wonders why he is being
    persecuted. It's because he is a liar and hypocrite.

    ‎"Adepts of history like George Washington understood that countries whose systems of government embrace national anti-theistic views ultimately come to ruin."

    TOTAL LIE! He is reading his personal agenda into history. And Thomas Horn is clearly ignorant of how
    the economy operates and how governments are related to the economy.
    The whole "help, we're victims" mentality is pathetic from Christians, just like it is pathetic when heterosexuals pretend that no longer being able to beat up gays somehow constitutes a "gay agenda."

    Criticism of ideas you disagree with isn't hatred for individuals. What we see in most of the "you hate me" faux-victim crap from Christians is the psychological projection of their own hatred for people outside of their own religion. Christianity has long been afforded special rights and privileges, at the expense of others, and
    now that people are being placed on more equal footing, there is resentment at those loss of privileges.

    For example, we all pay a large percentage of our small income as a TAX. A local pastor I know of a small church (average 75 on Sunday) receives FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS TAX FREE annually as a "housing allowance." I don't even make forty thousand dollars, much less tax free. Where the heck is my TAX
    FREE housing allowance? And the church building is on a prime corner, pays not one cent of property tax. You pay property tax.  I pay property tax.  They do not. 

    But Christians are persecuted. It is simply a fact that since Christians make up roughly 1/3 of the world population, there are far more likely to be bullies within Christianity simply due to the number of people in there.

    And Christians obviously persecute others and has from the beginning.  Christians have a horrid track record of burning libraries, murder, slaughter, taking over other cultures worldwide while taking their property offering nothing in return other than pushing Jews in ghettos and native Americans onto reservations.
    ‎"If one succeeds in separating Godly principles from public education and the media, they deny citizens the knowledge of good and keep them from embracing the laws of God."

    "The knowledge of good?"

    So you have no personal integrity?  You don't know good from bad?  You didn't learn that from your parents?   Here are a few of the laws of God.  Let's all go out and practice them now.

    Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

    Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

    Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

    Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

    Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?

    If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).

    If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

    If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

    If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?

    If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

    Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

    If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

    People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

    Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

    Yeah, let's all go out and obey all of God's laws!!! I dare ya.

    • You are a Fool...have you seen the US legal code federal, state, county, city....you want to come up with some stupid laws?  Where to begin.  You willingly and blindly follow the most insane arbitrary prescepts of your god (Secular Govt) and have the nerve to question the Lord God Almighty!!  You can't see gravity but you are subject to it; same goes with physics.  but the Creator of these things you just cannot stomach.  Your hypocrysy is limitless just like mine, the only difference is I plead the blood of Jesus over my soul because I have seen what's coming for man

      • Gravity can be measured, tested, the effects of gravity can be observed.  "The Lord God Almighty" can not.  It is amazing how the invisible and the non-existent look identical. You can plead the blood of Jesus or dance around a pig or chant all day and you still have seen nothing.  You have a fantasy book of folk tales edited and compiled and re-edited over thousands of years by dozens of storytellers and people who had their own personal agenda and added their spin on it each time it was copied.  You don't even know what's coming tomorrow much less "what's coming for man."   You are fooling yourself.

      • Did you ever try God? as I'm reading your comments, you are reaching out to people about God. But how about going to God about God. The bible says that if you seek the Lord, He will be found of you but you have to seek Him with your whole heart and soul. If you really want proof of Christ, ask Him. It happened for me...and if you humble yourself and expect to find Him it wil happen for you as well. and even if you don't find Him now, He will be waiting for you because He loves you so much. Open up your heart to Him. He will Come to you.

    • Predicable.  You show only old testament verses.  But if you haven't noticed...while still studying and using the Old Testament Christians typically follow the New Way or New Testament.  Try as you might I do not believe you will find laws of God to insult in it. You wanna insult Jews over such verses...then perhaps you have an argument against their faith.

      As a student of history, I do realize that the whole "this nation was founded upon Christian principles," is likely false.  However, it should still be noted that the founding fathers were likely Christian and thus exerted much influence on early American politics through their faith.  Also, just because some evil men took over countries and what not and then claimed they were doing it for God DOES NOT MAKE THEM CHRISTIAN!!!!

      Men have done stuff like this before under the guise of other religions...but do other religions get the same hate filled criticism as Christians do for their faith. NO!

      I cannot change the evil men who hide behind the Christian faith did, but I will always be a Christian and I will not give up my faith no matter how hard the world tries to seduces, coerce or even intimidate me to do so.  I will die for my faith.  I also hope this does not pass but I can clearly see a day when groups of non Christians go around killing Christians.  That day will arrive people.  Until then go out, preach the word of God to anyone that will listen and love those of the faith and those who reject our lord and savior Jesus Christ.

      Also, being a Christian means telling others about Christ... whether they want to hear it or not so GET OVER IT ALREADY! If you don't like it then don't listen though I wish you would.  Islam is a far more radical and violent religion that Christianity and even tells it's believers to kill infidels (non believers) yet it is Christianity that non believers target.  sigh.  The only thing I wish would happen in the world is people that forcefully try to recruit new members to Christianity and lob hate at those who resist would stop doing that. You are hurting the faith so stop it. Also, though God does not like homosexuality, I do not believe it is wise for supposed Christians to spew hate filled speech at homosexuals or worse commit acts of violence against them.

      • If the old testament is "the word of God" then why do Christians follow a new way...New Testament?????????? What was wrong with the word of God?

      • The New Testament is, for one, God's perfect plan. There was nobody worthy enough to do what Christ did for the world so he had to use what we know best--law. But God so loved the world, which is why made a new covenant with mankind, offered himself as the perfect sacrifice--Jesus--and showed the world what REAL LOVE is. 

      • "REAL LOVE" is killing 70,000 people with pestilence because their king counted them.  
        "REAL LOVE" (as you call it) is having bears disembowel 42 children because they made fun of a bald man. 
        "REAL LOVE" is stoning a woman to death if she was raped and didn't scream loud enough for someone to hear her.  
        "REAL LOVE" is creating a fiery pit to roast people for eternity if they flunk a theology test then making the test into a riddle so impossible that the vast majority of humanity will indeed flunk the test and be sent into the fiery pit for eternity.  He is the same God. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever, correct?

      • Jesus Came and changed a lot of things . But even if HE didn't come, we are still the creation of God. If the artwork of an artist can not question its artist how can we feel worthy enough to question our CREATOR. Man screwed up first and then God followed up and to be honest, God could have even became a lot more cruel than that. HE is GOD, you know. That is His right! But He didn't stay that cruel. He sent His only begotten Son out of His love for HIS creation. So instead of destroying us all, He came to rebuild us.

      • I think that some of the OT laws are more irrelivant than others, though I haven't really studied them enough to know so. My contribution to this discussion is merely that Hell is a place for those unworthy of God. God put Satan there first, then those who did not believe went there, and until Jesus came, I believe that those who did believe went to Abraham's bosom, than to heaven after recognizing Jesus as Lord. After Jesus, we merely have to trust in him to go to heaven. Those who believe the devil's lie that we evolved, or that we came from the big bang, will go to hell. I honestly don't even know about those who believe a mix, like God made evolution, which he didn't, it says very clearly in his word. I simply know that if you believe that Jesus came, died, rose again, is your savior, and EXCEPT HIS GIFT OF REDEMPTION, you WILL go to heaven

      • CC, I know of a place that would be perfect for you and your clowns. Do the words "Cobra Island" mean anything to you? Both of you groups of people serve Lucifer and his minions anyway, so why not join forces?

      • So the OT is out then?  Does that mean that homosexuality isn't 'abomination' after all?

        "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

        .. and ..

        "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

        Both from Leviticus OT.  Should Leviticus be followed or shouldn't it?

      • 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, NO EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
        10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. I Corinthians 6:9-10
        24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
        25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
        26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
        27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
        28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
        29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
        30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
        31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
        32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1 :24 -32
        These are scriptures written in the new testiment about homosexuality.
        And just to inform everybody, Christians are supposed to live from the entire bible. That which we can't do physically, we now do spiritually. For example: we don't sacrifice animals. Spiritually we sacrifice ourselves to God by giving up our ways for God's ways. Some laws changed, we don't kill sinners or execute. We pray for them and according to their willingness we lead them to CHRIST. God is a merciful God, the new testiment is just proof of God's mercy for man because in the OT man was so disobedient that God repented that he made them. But in the new testimony, the holyspirit births Christ into a woman to establish a new covenant between God and His people. There is NO WAY to God except through His Son Jesus Christ. and to answer yoru questionyes homosexuality is still an abomination just like other abominations listed above. I pray that you were blessed.

      • Please take the time to read (and study) the book of Hebrews.  It contains a complete anyalysis of the OT and how it was COMPLETELY fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.  The opening verses set the tone for the entire book.

      • I believe this is why God sent us his one & only true Son,Jesus Christ/Yeshua, To suffer for our sins and able us to ask for forgiveness from our sins

      • He quoted Leviticus.  You know, where you find:

        "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

        .. and ..

        "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

        So if we're not supposed to be using the Old Testament, does that mean that homosexuality isn't "abomination"? Or is that part of Leviticus correct, it's just the verses he quoted that we should ignore?

        Please enlighten.

      • Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full
        well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep
        your own tradition.

        7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father
        and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the
        death.New testament, Jesus telling us to follow the ways of old.  So if jesus wants us to follow the commandment of god, then why do you always run to saying that was the old testament?  1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the
        churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded
        to be under obedience as also saith the law.      - You know, just the typical God sexist thing.

        1st Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn
        themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided
        hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array    - Better not have purchased a wedding band for your wife!  2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with
        all subjection.

        2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach,
        nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.   James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is
        justified, and not by faith only.
        - What are you DOING to merit your entrance into the eternal kingdom?1st John- Whoever says she is without sin is a liar (1:8) and
        Christians don't sin (3:6). So a Christian lies if he
        says he doesn't sin (since everyone sins) and he lies if he says that he sins
        (since Christians don't sin). Which means, I guess, that all true Christians are
        liars. People who are of no belief are the ones whom truly aren't deluded and jaded by a bible ridden with inconsistiencies and intolerance.  Grow up.

      • When Christ was crucified the Old Testament of the Law and the Prophets were/ was fulfilled. We are now taught to live as Christ taught and Christianity stems from this. As far as this country being formed under Christian principles, current students from the 1950s forward are blindly taught the socialist leftist views in your history classes at university schools. Research John Dewey the father of modern education. He was a socialist and atheist. And, this is where modern curriculum theories in modern public schools is taught in the United States and around the world. He was founded by David Rockefeller and john Dewey was informed to instruct how students are taught in the United States and a colleague of his was paid well by David Rockefeller o how to teach non United States students in the world. Now keep in mind this system didn't affect everyone in the world until the last 10 or 15 years. Just look at common core, need I say more? You are so geared on earning a certificate to graduate that many people don't research what actually happened in history and read what the instructors require students to read to passes the class. If you question the sources you don't pass the class. . We are not allowed to look up our own books to learn from history teachers tell us what books are to be used when doing a college paper. Though you may not realize this that is making the masses conform to certain ideologies whether this is realized or not. The way the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches of the government were set up was formed on Christian understanding on how to run a country using checks and balances. This system was setup in the United States using scripture after James Madison studied the Gutenberg bible heavily. In the opening minutes of the first Congress session that was held in New York State at a cobble stone church near the site of ground zero 9/11 George Washington started off the first session of Congress with a prayer. He said a prayer leading off the first congress Session and he was holding a Gutenberg bible in one hand while doing speaking a prayer a loud to other Congressional members hoping that this country would stay under God. Research this if you don't believe me. The prayer states "how can we expect heavens eyes to smile on us" so forth. So please don't tell me this country wasn't formed under Christian principles this is where the Constitution, preamble, and the Bill of Rights came from.... I guess for some of you if snopes,com doesn't agree with this you will say okay sheeple... Wake Up America!!!

    • Hmm...so you read parts of a chapter and feel you are an expert on Christianity. 

      Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD. (NIV, Leviticus 19:18)

       John 8:7 "If any of you are without sin let them throw the first stone" Matthew 5 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.Love for Enemies
          43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 

      You have heard that the law of Moses says, "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and on the unjust, too. If you love only those who love you, what good is that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect. (NLT, Matthew 5:43-48)The apostle Paul said that Christian love is the greatest and most essential of all the spiritual gifts. Even faith is worthless without love!Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (NIV, Romans 13:8-10)

      We love because he first loved us. Those who say, "I love God," and hate their brothers or sisters, are liars; for those who do not love a brother or sister whom they have seen, cannot love God whom they have not seen. The commandment we have from him is this: those who love God must love their brothers and sisters also.(NRSV, 1 John 4:19-21)

      I would continue however I don't have the time to type the 508 times Love is mentioned. 

      I wish you the best in your search. 

      • " Hmm...so you read parts of a chapter and feel you are an expert on Christianity."

        No, I think almost four decades in the ministry teaching the Bible, including writing Bible curriculum and defending the faith does.

      • You can't possibly be saying you're speaking this way and you're over fifty years old AND you're a "defender of the faith"?!?!?! I'm so utterly confused by your ambiguity.

        You've come here not to set straight what Mr. Horn got wrong (which I'm sure every open-minded person would have appreciated) but merely spout off on a rage about how you disagree while providing what you think is evidence that debunks the assertions you call myths, only on even a superficial inspection one notices they have nothing to do with the quote you're referring to.

        I reiterate that how you see yourself as a defender of the faith is beyond my comprehension. Especially considering the fact that your horrific bias has led you to completely ignore the numerous valid points Mr. Horn made. One can spot out someone with no interest for the truth by whether or not that person has acknowledged the truths put forth by the man they are criticizing. You, supposedly being a Biblical scholar of some sort, have paid no homage to the truth stated in this article thus exposing yourself as the one with the unfair bias.

        Needless to say considering several people have already revealed your dopy error of criticizing an implication of God's law on earth by using Old Testament passages. The Lord has spoken through Christ and has fulfilled His law with the people and literally not one of the Levitican laws you cited have anything to do with God's contemporary law for humanity.

        Then in the five middle paragraphs you reveal yourself for who you are; the very anti-Christian that you are. You slipped in YOUR personal agenda which mirrors your anger for what ever reason.

        The Lord Christ has a special abode in your heart brother. He adores you and cries out to you to find everlasting peace with Him. A love and peace which is not fleeting but eternal. If you gave half of the energy you did to frantically trying to find anything wrong with those you disagree with and invested in love and especially that love which never abates, the love of Christ, you would experience for yourself the ecstasy of a life with Jesus. Allow yourself this bliss brother. May Jesus Christ reveal His undying love for you!

      • Give it a rest.  The question to me was regarding my ability to speak about Christianity.  I gave enough of an answer for this discussion.   Then you blather cliche after cliche thinking you are deep because you have now learned to speak contemporary western christian lingo, all the grace and love platitudes.  Good for you!  Ask "the Lord Christ" to give you a better approach next time.  And get some practice at not jumping to so many conclusions because you think God has given you some special gift.  He hasn't.

      • You are worthy of His love. You are worthy of eternal bliss in this life and the next. I promise you. May God bless you now and until the day you die.

      • Release yourself from this horrifying defensiveness brother! I remember being much like you. My former self resurges from me but I am aware of it and can bare my cross when it comes because I am aware of it. Free yourself. Love your enemy. Surrender to Christ.

      • Release yourself from this horrifying self-righteousness brother! I remember being much like you. I had all the answers like you think you do. I piously repeated holy sounding platitudes about barring my cross and dieing daily just like you . Free yourself from your smugness and give up your silly fairy tales and imaginary friends. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. You have none.

      • Who said anyone was trying to prove anything to you. I used to be much like you. I used to put myself above anyone I could. I found any reason to be angry and get a laugh at other people's expenses. I used to search frantically for any reason to complain and when I was confronted I'd fly into a pathetic rage much like the several you've provided on this page. Now I prefer to love and spread the saving grace of Jesus while following in His footsteps and confronting wild degenerate unfortunates like yourself. If my faith in Christ is an illusion I'm happy to say I could not care less and I would gladly carry on with it. Unfortunately for you history and logic don't quite add up to that being the case and you will stand before God to account for your malice. Lord help you.

      • "
        you will stand before God to account for your malice. Lord help you."

        So you threaten with no evidence for either a "god" or any "stand" or "account." What if your God is the wrong god??

      • Why don't you answer his question, mr. wall of defense? Why is it when Christians give answers non-beleivers throw another question at them? We hide behind nothing, and you dodged his question. 

      • He did not give an answer. He attacked, accusing me of being angry.

        Like your assertioins, his "angry" comment was presumptuous and simply incorrect.  He made an incorrect statement about my qualifications to critique, then when I stated part of my qualifications, he accused me of being angry.  

        Sorry, but even YOU must admit his comments are disconnected and not logical.

    • The fear of God is the begginning of wisdom. God said homosexual behavior is an abomination when He gave the law to moses and he has never changed his mind as God reveals in his word " I the lord do not change" Sodom is a horrifying reminder of the punishment that awaits to all who reject Jesus and want to do it their way. Jesus paid for the sins of all of those who will come under the lordship of Jesus the christ. All who do not must pay for their own sins Which will cost eternal punishment but praise God all who recieve JEsus to them he gave them the right to become children of GOd and will be forgiven of all sin and enter into eternal life. and in this life can walk in victory with a character the reflectss God full of Love, Joy, Peace, kindness, Mercy. and every good thing. Those who truly are saved exhibit these characteristics. But murderers, liars, drunkards and pretenders will not inherit the kingdom of God. But even these can be changed by GOd.

      • "The fear of God...
        God said...
        Jesus paid...
        praise God...
        all who recieve JEsus...
        But even these can be changed by GOd."

        So can you provide even one shread of evidence for any of your unsupported assertions?   Anything? 

      • None so blind as those who cannot see....But yes, I can show you the evidence. Your concepts, thoughts, feelings, did not come about by accident. What do accidents do ? Kill people. Accidents ocur when things are out of control. You live in a world that is living, not finished with, and it is constantly being made. To even have the concept of God should show you there is God - you cannot have an idea that has no answer in nature. Everything you can think of exists. And yes, there is Hell, that's why He died to save you from it. pay attention to your questions, and continue to search for answers in a way that means you will get it when you are being informed of the answers. Then you will see over the wall. Alot of others never will. Pray for them. Listen. Prayer is a two-way street, it's not all just you talking. After all, He has better things to say. He is God.

      • Amazing how the invisible and the non-existent always look identical. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. You blather on and still offer not a shred of evidence.

      • Yes. There is not proof that can be seen by any who do not want to look. But I can talk to God without having to use something so primitive as a computer. I do see Him, everywhere. He is not invisible at all - if He showed up on your front doorstep you would not believe it was Him. He already came as a person and even with miracles and words that had amazing meaning, many did not believe - but the Roman at the foot of the cross was beginning to get it.  You are an important person with great value. Like St Paul, you will see the lght because that is what you want. God bless you.

      • "There is not proof that can be seen by any who do not want to look"

        Wrong assumption.  I have never met an atheist who was not looking and who did not want to see.  However I have known plenty of former believers who sought but found nothing.  Jesus said if you seek, you will find.  However that is not true in the real world.

        "But I can talk to God without having to use something so primitive as a computer. I do see Him, everywhere. He is not invisible at all"

        What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. Your fantasies demonstrate nothing.  Go to any mental hospital and people claim to not only talk to God but to BE God.  Who are you to say your fantasy is more legitimate than theirs?   You offer assertions but no actual evidence.  

        "if He showed up on your front doorstep you would not believe it was Him."

        A blatant lie, spoken from ignorance. Why do you jump to conclusions based upon your false assumptions?  Why would you assume something like this about a total stranger?  Most non-believers would LOVE to meet Jesus.  Most have been believers in the past, many former ministers. It's just there there is simply no evidence other than your extremely subjective assertions...which demonstrate nothing except fantasies.  

        "Like St Paul, you will see the lght because that is what you want. "

        St. Paul did not want to see the light.  it was forced upon him. St. Paul was not seeking at all.

      • As for the evidence? The lack of sight of God. Can you see the wind? Can you see an aroma? You may see the effect of the wind, but you never see it. You may see the food that smells good, but you don't see the aroma. You may hear a person speaking to you, but you don't see their words coming from their mouth. Personally, I am a saved Christian, though I haven't always been. When I was younger, I searched for an answer in everything besides God. Finally I had gone to everything besides God. He put it in my heart that the life I was living was not only distructive to myself, in all aspects, but to my loved ones. If you truly pray, and speak with God, He will give you the proof you need.

      • The wind can be measured with instruments.  Particles that comprise "aroma" can be measured..  Your subjective experience is not a legitimate support for any position. Many have "truly prayed" and truly sought "God" for years and years yet received no answer, no response from God.  That little platitude doesn't work in the real world. I repeat, your subject experience proves nothing.

      • "Jesus said if you seek, you will find.  However that is not true in the real world."--I don't even think you've tried. 

      • More presumption on your part, more jumping to conclusions about total strangers, in three posts today yet. Everything I stated in the previous post still stands as true, unlike your subjective experiences with your imagination.  

      • Well, without "blathering on" I'd say this: that it is simplistic to the extreme to think that we, with all our attributes - personal identity, (the bit in the control tower that realises it is me, I, looking out) concepts and attributes ( love, hate, curiosity, oh, math comprehension, music, art, kindness, anger, creativity, etc) plus the amazing way the world around us fits together, and the universe does - that it all arrived here without a Creator. And then there is the unseen world, the one that when you are amazed by beauty, or sorrow, or other extremis, that somehow blesses you, and you just know.  In "seen" form, He has already been here, and while it was a success in that our sins got obliterated if we can make the difficult/easy step of accepting Him, He still was not understood to be the Son of God by many. So it's likely that if God stood infront of you, you would not really "see" Him. What's he supposed to look like so you would be able to accept the concrete evidence of His existence ? Isn't the universe enough concrete evidence ? We are just worms. What do we know - and how can I tell you ?

      • "We are just worms. "

        Perhaps you are.  However according to the Bible, I am perfect and wonderfully made in his image.  It's a shame you are just a worm.

      • "Amazing how the invisible and the non-existent always look identical. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. You blather on and still offer not a shred of evidence."
        Shame on you for denying our Lord and savior Jesus Christ!
        Can you see the wind or the oxygen you breathe?
        How do the planets float in space, how do we walk upright, I don't SEE gravity. Yet I have faith that the planet will not just fall, I have faith that I will wake up able to breathe and not floating in my bedroom. God loves you. Have some faith.

      • Wind is easily felt with the senses and measured with instruments. Oxygen is easily detected and measured. When was the last time you measured God with instruments? Planets do not float in space. I'm not sure if you actually DO walk upright. Gravity is also easily measured. I would rather have knowledge of reality than continue to believe in faire tales.

      • 9ountry crock

        I'm sorry if I'm a little late to this topic, but I couldn't help but notice you keep asking for evidence but it seems you fail to realize that FAITH IS the evidence of things unseen. That's what gives 150000 christians every year the power to lay down their lives for Christ. Don't let satan steal the joy God has for you by letting him inject doubts and lies in your mind. Hold steadfast to the faith using the word of God as your sheild. Jesus will return for his church, and on that day I hope and pray to be able to greet you as a brother in Christ.

      • Sorry but your martyr argument is simply an appeal to the majority, an appeal to belief, it's a logical fallacy.   Just because many people believe something proves nothing.  Faith allows people to fly airplanes into buildings in the name of their deity, to give up their life in the name of their deity, to cut off the hands of thieves in the name of their deity, to stone children as witches in the name of their deity, to stone to death disobedient children, adulterers and gay people in the name of their deity.  Yes, people have been laying down their lives for false ideas as long as man has had false ideas, beliefs in invisible, imaginary friends.  

        The rest of your post is just a string of unsupported assertions with no compelling reason to accept any as true.  You DO believe in truth, don't you?

      • Thank you Stephen, I just don't understand why it is that this Country Crock fellow is so adamant on insulting our faith, then deny that we are prosecuted, God said that we would be persecuted for our faith and I am ready for that and deal with it frequently God did not specify the persecution whether it would be moderate, low or high. just by his abrasiveness towards others he is trying to drive us away, make us submissive, and in a way conquer us by trying to prove that we are somehow horrible people or less relevant than himself. I am by no means perfect, I am a sinner I accept that. Jesus died on the cross for all sinners and yes I believe he rose three days later and ascended into heaven. If that makes me a bad person, or crazy so be it. I have personally felt the Holy Spirit within me guiding me, I believe God saved me in bad times when I was not worthy and I have felt the hand of God when I gave birth and delivered both of my children completely natural. My daughter I was in labor for many hours 78 to be exact and she had actually broken my hips, my son I almost gave birth in the car and had gone into a slight seizure when he was born and he had reinjured my hips, I was fearful and God had given me peace. Now for him to say that he is well read in the bible and talk about how God is not loving breaks my heart, it was sin that separated us from God. John 3-16: For God so loved the world He gave his one and only begotten son. Then Jesus said "No one shall come to the Father except though me." Jesus also said "If you tear down the temple I shall rebuild it in three days" and then he rose in three days after killed on the cross. but quoting biblical scripture is not going to help him because he has hardened his heart, I have friends of different faiths and they are not this combative towards Christians They respect my beliefs as I do theirs and we discuss and do friendly debates but still love one another because essentially we are all people with feelings, families, lives, and loved ones and I do not believe that I am more important then them and they do not think they are more important then me, its a mutual respect. I wonder though what has been done to this man, it sounds as if he has had some kind of hurt happen in his life and I am concerned that whatever wound has been opened will not heal in him. I do pray for him and hope above all things that he will find peace. Also my fellow Christians pray for those overseas enduring life threatening persecution men, woman children being hung, humiliated, and slaughtered. I had a dream not to long ago and fear that it is not far for us, and we need to love one another before it is too late. I read a recent story about a woman who had come here from Egypt to escape the be-headings and slaughters there and in an interview said soon she would have to leave America, because this is how Egypt started there Persecution...

        "PERSECUTION: a program or campaign to exterminate, drive away, or subjugatea people because of their religion, race, or beliefs:" "SUBJUGATEA: to bring under complete control or subjection; conquer;

        to make submissive or subservient; enslave."

    • You are posting just as much misinformation. Washington did believe in a strong Christian foundation, the whole "separation of church and state" was used as a way to keep government out of religion not the other way around. Pick up a history book! Secondly Leviticus is the old testament which is no longer relevant since the birth of Christ. Jesus taught us to have love for all people read "The Sermon on the Mount" you dope. And if you don't think Christians were ever persecuted look at the French Revolution, they slaughtered priests and believers alike!

      • Brandon, you are a prime example of why it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt, you dope.

      • Since God created all of us with equal honor and abilities, I think it is best to respect each other and not use insulting language. It is hard to read and more annoying than informative.

      • Here are a couple of replies from alleged Christians:

        You are Country Crock of Crap!!!!""That's Mosaic law, dumbass. "

        Evidently Pfjemail and Jawawars do not believe in Colossians 3:17 which says "Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus"  Higher moral standard?  Don't kid yourself.

      • I take it from your comments that you consider yourself a Christian, and yet you say that "...the old testament which is no longer relevant since the birth of Christ."  How do you interpret and apply 2 Timothy 3:15-17?  When Paul references the holy Scriptures, he obviously is talking about the Old Testament, since the New Testament had not yet been compiled.

      • I suspect God would appreciate it more if you would address the issue instead of me. That would certainly be more honest of you. He isn't impressed with your prayers.

      • I'm surprised that you'd say that because when I confronted you about the issues you had nothing but slander to dish out. Stop being pathetic brother and grow up.

      • Neither is puffing out your chest and hiking up your pull up, trying to bully people with your "Your God is equivalent to the Spaghetti Monster," cliche, argument. You're so far gone, dude. I pray that a miracle occurs, that you may find the truth. Now, because I know you're so cleaver and witty and anxious to destroy me with your logic I'll open the floor: INSERT DUMB ATTACK HERE >

      • Dude, "accept Jesus as your personal savior" is one of the most un-Biblical "cliches" people like you use.  BTW, it is impossible to "destroy" you with logic, because you didn't make your choice to believe in fairies based on logic.  But your condescension is noted in your post for all to observe.  

        Not witty, just obvious.

    • That's Mosaic law, dumbass.  Its basically radical Christianity if we do that, like radical Muslims believe in obeying everything to the letter.  Point is, those laws don't apply to us anymore, because of Jesus.  Of course, Jews should be following the law.  But back then many of those laws referred only to the priests.  Only priests could go to the altar of the Lord.

      • JAWAWARS: "
        That's Mosaic law, dumbass."

        Thank you for your very Christ-like response.  You are obviously a spiritual giant who walks closely with Jesus.

        "And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him."  

      • Hey, ass hat, if you do not like the words, I would like for us to meet in real life. All that you have to do is to name the time and place. I will be waiting.

    • -__- those are of the Old Testament BEFORE the second covenant which says to accept Jesus, that's it. In other words, these rules were established for Jews to follow before there was Jesus. When Abraham took his son to be sacrificed it was a test of faith. Did he actually sacrifice him? No. It was a test. Abraham was just a model. Nice try though, you know, saying the law of God is outdated. Even Christians know it's impossible to follow all these laws. Just accept Jesus as lord and savior. You try doing that!!! I dare ya. 

      • So Nathan, it was a test?   A test for what?  You say the law is outdated?  Jesus said he did not come to outdate the law, to destroy the law, didn't he?   There is no NT scripture that says "just accept Jesus."  Zero.  And how presumptuous of you to assume I haven't already "accepted jesus" like you are claiming.  I have over thirty years in the ministry.  You seem to get most of your exercise from jumping to conclusions about total strangers.

    • One's ability to quote scripture is no indication of their understanding of the spiritual applications.  So it is with your comments on the Old Testament Laws.  Jesus said of the religious leaders in His day "You are in error because you do not KNOW the Scriptures or the power of God."   These folks were 'experts' in the OT Law and Jesus' comment was intended to point out their inability to translate into actual application.  BTW, that ability is a Spirit given one and has nothing to do with one's ability to cite Scripture.   Your passion for disapproving the God of the Bible is admirable, but don't forget.....so was Saul's (of Tarsus) before his conversion.  You can find THAT story in the book of Acts.

      • " Your passion for disapproving the God of the Bible is admirable"

        You misunderstand. I have no need to "disprove " what hasn't been proven in the first place.

    • It is simple, go and read the history of our country, you'll find it is founded on Christian principles and ideology. You are full of lies.

      • Here's the history of our country as spoken by President Thomas Jefferson: "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law”.  

    • ...and yet the only people that had given your thumbs up were evil anti-Christian and anti-Jewish trolls, shills, and whores of Lucifer like yourself, Cum Dumpster Crock of Shit. Oh, goody, you can quote the Holy Scriptures. Here is a news flash, mental midget, Lucifer pulled off that stunt and got schooled by YAHASHUA YAMASHIYAH. Finally, you are being a historical revisionist and a sore loser simply because you are serving a sore loser in Lucifer.

  26. Thank you, Jesus. I've been saying this stuff for 20 years now. Finally, the heads are seeing and warning. Persecution in the USA is alive and well and has been all along.

  27. I will be glad when this pres is out of office just pray every night that the next pres is a. Man of god and not of the people or just for himself by himself.

  28. Well we live in a day and age now where Christians should be willing to lay down their life for Jesus as did the early Christians did as in Rome etc. We will see Christians Martyrs in America trust me.

  29. I came upon this page while researching religious discrimination for a project I'm doing in school. Personally, I feel like you bring up some interesting points; however, I feel that this article is a little too biased. The use of the word "persecution" as a word to describe the treatment of American Christians is a little too much, in my opinion. Yes, we have freedom of religion/speech/etc, but that doesn't mean asking someone to stop handing out pamphlets is "persecution". Yes, the Christians were persecuted by the Romans. Their lives were threatened, and they were not allowed to openly practice their religion. I consider that persecution.  I also do not believe that the censoring of Christian values has anything to do with the degeneration of society. Thank you for your opinion, though. This was an interesting article to read.

    • Discrimination is the correct word. In middle school I was smacked, spit on, and beat up for being a christian and when I went to the councilor I was told I picked my religion and I should suck it up. 

      • I have never, ever seen a Christian bullied in a school for being Christian.  I have however seen Christians being retaliated against for being jerks, or something unrelated to their religion.

      • Wes, how did you know the "jerks" were Christian ?
        But anyhow, we Christains can be "jerks" just like anyone else, but we have to go through the guilt for being like that, apologise,, and make amends. We are not allowed to do wrongful things and then just forget about it - sure, we get forgiven, but not if we do wrong thinking it's all ok, we'll get forgiven anyway - that would be takling the Lord's Name in vain, just about the worst sin - if sin could be graded - the worst sin there is, and alot harder to repent because it has lies at its heart. 

      • I highly doubt you were picked on and beat up because you were Christian...more like because you were a self-righteous ass-wipe and people (likely other Christians) didn't like you as a person.

      • Aletheiasiridean, Nothing is “Wrong” with the Word of God in the Old Testament, however, in order to gain eternal life, people had to be perfect. None of us are. So, He sent Christ to offer us a way. We can repent and be truly sorry for our wrongdoings, make amends if we can, and not purposefully repeat the wrong, then we are made perfect by all this. It’s more difficult than it looks because it is simple – people have a problem believing it. But that is why Christ had to come, and why there is a New Testament – He fulfilled the purpose of God in our lives.

  30. Columbine was not about Christianity.  It was two students who were being bullied for being different and standing out like a sore thumb.  Now I am in no way condoning what these two kids did.  What they failed to realize is that high school only lasts four years.  You have a whole life ahead of you and can you all that crap behind and never look back.  However let's be honest about this.  It was about being bullied.  And I imagine the kids who did this were in fact Christian.  If I go by this guy's standards then Christians are bullies and fact of the matter is many are.  Fundamentalism is on the rise in this country, not the decline.  The story about the pastor.  I looked up a number of articles and not one of them stated that the guy who murdered the pastor did so because the pastor was Christian.  Show me some evidence from an actual newspaper where this was the case.  You do not pass out religious material to children on Halloween.  You give them candy for crying out loud.  You know, trick or treat.  Religious instruction should always be up to the parents and not the schools.  And no we cannot live in a theocracy of any kind in this country because theocracies are repressive, hold women down as second class citizens, and do horribly economically.  And for your information, France is predominantly Catholic and has never declared your god as being dead.  Bone up on the French Revolution before you talk about it because your rendition of it is nonsense.  You don't mind revising history yourself.  And to compare the Holocaust to some imaginary persecution here is insulting to the people who suffered in that and by the way German Jews and non Jews were killed.  And the Jews were German and there were a lot of interfaith marriages in Germany at the time so the Holocaust destroyed a lot of families.  A lot of German non Jews helped the German Jews escape but I notice that isn't mentioned.  Could it be that we are a violent society because we always have been?  The Puritans were pretty damn violent themselves and loved to persecute anyone who didn't believe their way.  And this country originally started out as a theocracy and that didn't work out so well which is why faith should remain in the church house and the government should not establish a state religion.  Get a grip.  You are not being persecuted.  Get over it.

    • Metalgoddess, have you ever considered the possibility that the lack of a religion or an anti-religion that is being promoted is, gasp, CONSIDERED A RELIGION BY DEFAULT? The United States Supreme Court and the United States Federal Court said as much in 1961 and in 2005, respectively.

  31. Not here to quote scriptures but right is right and wrong is wrong country crock you contradict  your own words and it sounds like jealousy on your part you reap what you sow so when a pastor sows his life unto God by teaching the word and living by it to it's fullest he shall reap the benefits of it.

  32. I love it when a majority claims persecution, just because a secular government is doing its best to stay secular.  Institution of things like the illegality of gay marriage is unconstitutional and denies rights to a large number of citizens (5-10% of the population), so it's never going to pass.  On the other hand, the legalization of gay marriage eventually will, and though it is an affront to your religion, it is just YOUR religion.

    • God is not a figment of the imagination like so many of the godlets people have invented. God is the only One True God, so this is not about religion as such. If God says something is wrong - and anything against nature, by definition, is wrong, then it just is wrong.  There have always been people with homosexual tendencies, and there is no need to make legislation based on sexual preference. Also, you can't call something a marriage that is not a marriage. That is a holy ceremony between a man and a woman. Going against what God has said, with homosexuals having a church wedding is horribly wrong because it is not, and cannot be, holy. We don't make the rules, God does. If homosexuals want to have a civil union at a registrar's office, that's up to them, and falls under state laws. We have separation of church and state. Homosexuals do not need to display their preferences, any more than anyone else does. It doesn't matter what anyone's religion is, there is only One True God. One.

    • No one has taken away any rights from those practicing the homosexual 'life'
      style. They have the same right the rest of us have in this country. They are
      looking for exclusive right, rights beyond the rest of the population. This will
      be a problem for those involved, in a very bad way. It will come around and bit
      them in the butt. So go to it.

    • There are many religions and only One True God whose bible calls the PRACTICE of homosexuality and abomination. Sure, they are born that way, probably, or become that way - we are all born with our human nature. The challenge of life is to overcome that nature and gain a higher self. For that reason, I will not kill, rape, steal, drink too much alcohol, take drugs that are harmful, pollute, break laws, gossip, insult, or anything else that harms anyone. Homosexuals can have legal civil unions. They can not and do not "marry". Marriage is a holy ceremony between a man and a woman. Even those homosexuals who think they are married, are not. If God says something is an abomination (such as a man lying with a man as with a woman) then He is not going to approve practising, overt homosexuals as preachers in His Church, nor so-called marriages between practicing homosexuals in His churches. You can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear. Separation of Church and state means just that. And the state can just quit trying to dictate to the Church. God is not a democrat.

    • I don't mean to be rude, but obviously you have been brainwashed by society, to claim what you said in your last sentence. May God help you see the light!

  33. This might sound like another typical atheist rant, but I largely believe that Christian persecution in the USA is false.

    And if it does happen, there will be a solid underground movement and resistance front put up by believers of all stripes (even to the point of them taking control of many local and state governments and seceding from the Union) if it ever went that far.

    I really think that many Christians fail to take certain truths into effect. There are many Christians in all denominations that want freedom to worship their faith openly and rightly, and I see that every year in the Right to Life march happening in my state. There are Catholics, Lutherans, Evangelicals all marching together against the scourge of abortion. There is a gay marriage ban in my state's constitution and there are plenty of street corner preachers who preach freely without fear of persecution. How are these truths indicative of growing Christian persecution?

    Also, many atheists and agnostics like the status quo and not for any kind of religious persecution. I have seen this and heard this in many atheist talks and podcasts I have listened to. They riff on what they see as religious stupidity, but they are not the ones calling for open season on Christians of any stripe. Christians tends to believe the slippery slope idea, so why can't they apply it here? Persecuting one group leads to resistance to the authoritarian body from many other groups. This has been documented several times in United States history (like the war against slavery).

    I also refuse to by the belief that America was founded on Christian principles because of how the supposedly Christian establishment refused to pass a anti-slavery amendment to the US constitution until absolutely had to happen, the religious persecution of the Dakota tribe at Wounded Knee in 1890, the systematic forced removal of Mormons to the western US territories in the first half of the 1800's and cases where non-believers were massacred at Nueces by Confederate Soldiers in Texas in 1862. These examples alone prove that the USA in united and fractured forms practiced hypocrisy when it came to the religious freedom of others. This Christian attitude toward others is still present today with open disdain for homosexuals and non-believers in the USA today. Christians howl about they are persecuted and yet they silently stand by as homosexuals are not allowed to marry and non-believers are looked upon with hostility if they made a bid for the US presidency. If the freedom to worship means exactly that, why is it only allowed for people who fall under the Christian flag?

    I would like to see what people have to say to this.

  34. So here is my question about the bullshit you just spat out... How in  the hell does  30% of non-Christan America persecute 70% of christian America when 20% of the non Christians are other apposing religions and only about 10% of the 30% are atheist... yet very few of those people in the 10% agree with each other on anything...? Christians are begin marginalized? what world do you live in? Christianity still dominate this world, and they are still responsible for  the most about of persecution.  Viewing the amount of torture and oppression Christians inflicted upon every other form of thinking through out history think its safe to say, any persecution against Christians is simply Christianity reaping of the seed it has sown.

    • If you look up "Voice of the Martyrs" online you will find alot of news there about persecution of Christians in many countries, generally Asia, Africa and S America, but there are shades of it here, usually excused by "Separation of Church and State" laws. North Korea may be the worst. On the US website for human rights in North Korea, you would find that up near the Chines border there are many concentration camps. The one for Christians is the worst, with 6,000 being held, men women and children, in horrible conditions.  Ri Hyon Ok was executed there last year (or 2010) in front of her husband and children, for distributing bibles. Many others have been tortured and killed there. Christian misbehavior during the Crusades was terrible, and due to a lack of literacy and learning about the religion they belonged to. Thanks to the Reformation, all can now read the bible in their own language and not go rampaging about, killing people for their beliefs, which is pointless, but instead taking the true message about the One True God.

      • I even agree with this sentiment. I think Christianity has moderated itself enough that it's not as bad it once was. There are many cases of Christian persecution in the world outside the USA, and it needs to be halted. It wouldn't surprise me if these events are part of the human rights violations that occur in many countries around the world. I still believe that anybody who claims persecution in the USA is going to have a tougher time proving their case because our open, pluralistic, ecumenical society makes cases of persecution few and far between. The evidence to support my case for Christian persecution being almost nonexistent in the USA includes thousands of churches that are still open, hundreds of radio stations that broadcast the Gospel at all hours of the day, and even the moderate number of TV outlets that also broadcast the Gospel. I still have yet to find a Christian to challenge this point successfully.

      • The stopping of prayer in schools, public displays of the nativity or ten commandments, the removal of the cross in the national forest, the discouragement of prayer with patients in hospitals and schools or at football games, the removal of the reference to God in the Pledge of alleigance. Correct we are not being hauled off to jail - yet. But the stage is being set, and those who have been brought up without prayer or Christian instruction will eventually turn on Christians in a much more direct way, without any compunction, because they will see no reason why not.

      • I still find that hard to believe. Many Christians will fight to the death for they believe. In some way, the stage has been set for them to act in that way with the priming of fire and brimstone sermons and the popularity of the Left Behind series. When the Christian media stations go permanently silent, then I believe this charge of persecution.

      • So, no matter what evidence a non-believer offers to the contrary that Christianity is not persecuted in the USA like you think it is, it will not be taken into consideration. There are over 50 churches in the city I call home, and there are 11 radio stations broadcasting exclusively Christian messages (K-Love, Radio 74, BBN, Family Radio, EWTN). How does this information still disprove my point?

      • The words of Dietrich Bonhoeffer in a letter to his brother in    should be a chilling reminder of what happens when Christians live with their heads in the sand:  "First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”

      • Then keep speaking out, but I seriously doubt the persecution claims. You may claim to know what a true Christian is, but people will still claim Christianity. Your exclusive mindset only breeds heresy and discontent, and the doctrinal differences even affect "the core" as you call it. There is no point in trying to witness to anybody who claims the Christian label.

        Secondly, you fail to realize that not all Christians are of Bonhoeffer's ilk. You really think that Christians are going to go silently against "the coming Persecution", think again. You seem to forget that Christian will have a thriving underground. How am I wrong here?

      •  I'm not sure, Geek, where you get the idea of the "fire and brimstone sermons." I've been attending many kinds of churches for forty one years since I came to Christ at age fifteen, and also  before I came to Christ. I have hardly heard any such sermons. I'd like to hear more. Jesus spoke more of hell and destruction of the soul more than he did of heaven.

    • Being a Christian and being called a Christian is two different things. Just because people call themselves Christians doesn't mean they are, so basically the United States is not really a Christian country! And btw just like anyone else Christians did make mistakes throughout history, we are all human beings with a sinful nature, but in reality it wasn't really Christians, but wolves dressed like sheep that sought an excuse to conquer, destroy and persecute others, and if you are gonna take something like "Christianity reaping of the seed it has sown" for biblical context, then get your facts straight and read the whole Bible. I hope that God opens your eyes to what is true before it's too late. God Bless You!  

  35. For anyone skeptical that Christianity had been persecuted in the United States recently, here are some simple experiments for you to try:

    1.  First, attend a church service (you can't assess if people are persecuted unless you at least have a passing familiarity with their belief systems, right?);

    2.  Next, take one week to watch prime time television in the USA from 7 p.m. for 3 hours every night with a notebook in hand.  Mark down every single act of senseless violence, every contemptuous or belittling remark about religious faith and Christian beliefs in particular and every instance of a violation of one of the Ten Commandments (adultery, theft, lying, etc...).  I know being compelled to watch seven straight days of network broadcasts is also torture for most of us, but remember, you are doing this noble deed for the sake of science and truth!  So be strong!

    3.  Now, tally up the number of times you observed anti-Christian messages.  If you have found none, not a single one, you may have fallen asleep while you watched TV.  Repeat the experiment again once you recover in a few months.

    4.  If you found several anti-Christian messages, then you are qualified to write for television now.  Complete a script and mark it "pro-family values" in your pitch line.  You will never get it sold in today's market without a miracle. 

    5.  Now, for those who are not buying the mass media line that persecution of Christians is a myth, visit sites such as persecution dot org and then research the stories there.  You will find that today literally thousands of good people are in jail cells around the world simply because they seek to worship God as Christians.  That is not a myth, it is a fact.  We in the USA are fortunate that we can in fact speak about this issue. 

     So I do agree that Christians in the USA are not "persecuted" in the same sense as many Christians in many other nations, although the media exercise demonstrates a rather determined attack on Christian value systems and income levels in the opinion of many people like me.

  36. It's a slow and gradual process of removing any mention of Christianity and can be clearly seen in numerous examples in present-day society.  Just Google the topic and see for yourself.  Wow...I am really shocked that there is a site for "Debunking Christianty" and so many members.  Cuthbert is correct. I left the church years ago (no support and hypocrisy where I was going) and returned at the end of last year because someone approached me and said "I was searching for something."  I was but did not know what "it" was.  This man was a prophet and God told him to approach me.  I am back attending a wonderful church with genuine people and a super support group since all of us in society have hurts, hang-ups and habits.  How could anyone not be stressed of the state of the world in 2012?  I was even baptized last week as an adult in my choice of God.  I can give anyone my church's name and you can find a "sister" branch somewhere near where you live.  You just need an open mind and heart and will love it.  I wish people here who are Agnostic or Atheist could attend one time to my church and see how uplifting it is.   The 70% of Christians that you are noting are not attending any services/masses.  They claim statistically to be Christian but are not.  They may even be on church rosters as members but do not attend or tithe.  That percentage is grossly overstated.  Thanks for posting Cuthbert.

  37. Just a quick comment peoples. Christians are those that accept Jesus into their lives and ask God to help them live according to His will. Many people don't want to accept that and it's fine cause that's why God gave each one of us free will. There is no need to generalize about who is a Christian and who is not. When we die nothing will matter but ourselves, and God will hold us accountable for what we know and what has been warned to us. Now I see a lot of comments about useless stuff and I really believe that if you are posting atheist things here to call attention God will be the judge and if you are writing stuff to confuse others God knows your heart. So I recommend each one of ya'll reflect on what you believe and state your point of view and ask questions to those that know, but if you don't have anything important to say, don't say it.  

  38. This plea has largely fallen on deaf ears I think. When a vocal minority have been hollering about practically non-existent persecution for almost a century, people tend to believe to see them as weirdos. In some way, they created this mess by following a holy book to the letter when people can't even agree on a common interpretation of it. When Christians scream about the fallibility of man, how can you even be totally sure that Nehemiah, Moses, Amos, Habbakuk, Daniel, Ezekiel, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul were even divinely inspired? To claim that True Word of God has been polluted and redacted and changed is also spurious because the editors are from within the Christian camp. By making such charges, it further proves Christianity is nothing but a house of cards.

  39. I think we are definitely in the END TIMES.Why should a thorough bred christian be worried about all this.He should be prepared for getting  martyred if the situation warrants.It is said that they would go to heaven,but one thing I have been asking for years that no one has ever come in person and described about heaven and that what it was like .Some people have definitely described about it but then it was an exaggeration

  40. ok i am born again. saved from God's wrath by faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross and justified by belief in God raising Him from the dead. but America was not founded on Christ or the bible. sorry it just wasn't! No Where in any founding document was the name of Jesus Christ mentioned, why? if this is a Christian nation? i suggest you read Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Associationin 1802

  41. It seems that the Bible foretells that Christian and Jewish persecution would sweep throughout the world in the last days, instigated by Satan, but allowed by God to graft Jews into the tree of faith. America is not exempt from suffering and persecution, and the blood of the martyrs is indeed the seeds for new saints. 

  42. Just to throw my two cents in...
    Firstly, if you're going to quote scripture, make sure to a) have it quoted correctly, b) quoted in context, and c) have a variety of different Bible verses from different books, and understand the purpose of each book. For instance, Leviticus contains part of the laws of the Old Testament, Song of Songs is love poetry, etc. This goes to everyone, Christian or otherwise.
    Secondly, regarding the comment on homosexuality, there are places in the New Testament that discuss this, primarily Paul's epistles, if you want to read more. I highly suggest you do, as well as scripture not concerned with this particular issue. At least a rudimentary knowledge of the Bible is necessary for anyone who wants to discuss it or what it concerns.
    Thirdly, don't insult or patronize each other. That's not what's important here. Please discuss this article like mature adults.
    If you're going to be talking about issues like this online, it is necessary to use good conduct and common courtesy, regardless of your point of view or the point of view of the person you're talking to. Explain things rationally and provide relevant evidence. Insulting each other, questioning one another's right to talk or using your computer as a mask is immature and defeats the purpose of a comment forum.
    Thank you, everyone. Continue on.

  43. I have no problem with christians except when their "beliefs" attempt to/or impose bigoted laws on people who are different from them.
    The statement that the founding fathers were christian is the basis for their political decisions, which may be true, is likely not, since they wanted a secular society.
    Homosexuality may be a sin in the NT and OT - but seeing as they have no choice in the matter, then god created a people that were meant to be persecuted. Doesn't sound at all like a loving god.
    Keep it out of public schools, and out of laws that ALL people must follow.

  44. A quote from the Treaty of Tripoli:

    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

    The United States was never based on Christian values.
    Switzerland and Singapore are both very secular and, well, look how they turned out.

    • They turned out like crap, you damn Lucifer spewing liar! Singapore is a Fascist hellhole and Switzerland is playing catch up to them, too. Furthermore, you idiot, YAHWEH EL ELOHIM created this planet and the cosmos, so, technically, your point is moot and irrelevant.

  45. I am being physically assaulted with illegal frequencies daily. Iformed fbi and fcc through their websites and faxes even phonecalls. they won't stop it. white occult slavery is involved. I'm not insane it hurts . Illegal implants can't write more for fear of retaliation as they have in the past i inform people think they always call fbi instead of me or email they're sorry they can't help. Can't mention more details. I want to defect from persecution. cybernetics or illegal receiver implants really not insane doubled over with cramps earlier started period early sik and dizzy , so strong caused blood clots not imagined.Also verbal abuse.

  46. You should call it harassment in the USA.I have passed out Bibles in sinnful San Francisco.Of course a few people mocked me for standing for Jesus.The insult that still really got to me was some well dressed young people that told me to get a job because I was wearing jeans and a sweatshirt.I have to forgive them but its not easy.

  47. "A day late and a dollar short" is the saying (US) that is most appropriate for this. The truth is, it's about 20-30 years late and far more than a dollar short to disclose these truths about the USA. But "Better late than never" is also an appropriate response. God have mercy. God have mercy.

  48. I agree that the media and the entertainment industry are largely responsible for the devils work , it would greatly surprise many Christians just who are behind these antichrist acts , follow the money , or in other words who owns and operates these tools of the devil ? and this same group is also responsible for most of the changes of law restricting Christians , it would amaze most . But they are Anti-Christ and have been since the time of Christ , but not all of them . If they cannot deceive through false doctrine they will do other things , any hints yet ? Jesus can tell you if you read the gospels ....

  49. If we are to be faithfull to Christ in America, we should live and do what the Bible says EVEN if it is harmful and destructive to this society. The American society is evil and put itself there. Unfortunately apostates in the Church over the last century planted the seeds of not being salt and light in this nation but pursue self interests. It is now time to live purely for Christ and resist Patriotic, Nationalistic and Social pressures to save souls and be salt and light in America before it soon passes away.

  50. What rubbish you see I come from Scotland which is a christian state and I know all about persecution of Christians you Americans have it easy compared to China or Iraq and where I come from Atheists and Anti-royalists like myself are persecuted because of a medieval belief in Christianity and the Monarchy being forced on children in school. So you see you may think you have it bad but many have it worse.

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